Jesus wasn't crucified!
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(10-28-2011, 05:39 PM)Walty Wrote:
(10-28-2011, 05:23 PM)ecclesiastes Wrote:
(10-28-2011, 05:17 PM)Mithrandylan Wrote: Ecclesiastes is right, there isn't much evidence of Christ's historical crucifixion outside the Gospel- Josephus is probably the best we have.  Tbh, as far as I can tell the main argument against Joseph is that he is confirming the crucifixion.  That seems to be what it comes down to- Josephus believes Jesus existed and was crucified, therefore he is wrong.

There is a lot of philological evidence, I believe. As several scholars have noted, the Testimonium Flavianum has a different style than the rest of the book. So that leaves us with the statement that James was "the brother of Jesus, who is the Christ". (Note that the text does not say "whom they call the Christ" or something similar!) This is indeed suspect, as Josephus was a Jew, not a Christian. To acknowledge someone is the Christ means you are a Christian.

Well, he attested to the many wondrous deeds performed by Jesus.

Other Jewish sources;

Talmud, b. Sanhedrin 43a: On the eve of the Passover Yeshu [Jesus] was hanged [or crucified]. ... Since nothing was brought forward in his favor he was hanged on the eve of the Passover.

The Amoa "Ulla" (Ulla was a disciple of Youchanan and lived in Palestine at the end of the third century) adds: "And do you suppose that for (Yeshu of Nazareth - Jesus) there was any right of appeal? He was a beguiler, and the Merciful One hath said: "Thou shalt not spare neither shalt thou conceal him." It is otherwise with Yeshu, for He was near to the civil authority.

Roman sources;

Cornelius Tacitus in his Annals, xv. 44: Christus ... was executed at the hands of the procurator Pontious Pilate.

Lucian of Samosata: (Christ was) the man who was crucified in Palestine

Above from http://answering-islam.org/Silas/crucified.htm

Both Roman orator Julius Africanus and Christian theologian Origen refer to Greek historian Phlegon as having written "with regard to the eclipse in the time of Tiberius Caesar, in whose reign Jesus appears to have been crucified, and the great earthquakes which then took place"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion...r_accounts

There's a pile more proof here.
http://www.westarkchurchofchrist.org/lib...blical.htm
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Jesus wasn't crucified! - by drummerboy - 10-27-2011, 10:39 PM
Re: Jesus wasn't crucified! - by Vetus Ordo - 10-27-2011, 11:25 PM
Re: Jesus wasn't crucified! - by Arun - 10-28-2011, 12:05 AM
Re: Jesus wasn't crucified! - by Walty - 10-28-2011, 02:50 AM
Re: Jesus wasn't crucified! - by Arun - 10-28-2011, 04:30 AM
Re: Jesus wasn't crucified! - by Scriptorium - 10-28-2011, 09:40 AM
Re: Jesus wasn't crucified! - by drummerboy - 10-28-2011, 10:00 AM
Re: Jesus wasn't crucified! - by Vetus Ordo - 10-28-2011, 11:59 AM
Re: Jesus wasn't crucified! - by ecclesiastes - 10-28-2011, 02:08 PM
Re: Jesus wasn't crucified! - by Walty - 10-28-2011, 02:27 PM
Re: Jesus wasn't crucified! - by Vetus Ordo - 10-28-2011, 02:42 PM
Re: Jesus wasn't crucified! - by ecclesiastes - 10-28-2011, 04:17 PM
Re: Jesus wasn't crucified! - by Walty - 10-28-2011, 04:21 PM
Re: Jesus wasn't crucified! - by ecclesiastes - 10-28-2011, 05:13 PM
Re: Jesus wasn't crucified! - by Mithrandylan - 10-28-2011, 05:17 PM
Re: Jesus wasn't crucified! - by ecclesiastes - 10-28-2011, 05:23 PM
Re: Jesus wasn't crucified! - by Walty - 10-28-2011, 05:39 PM
Re: Jesus wasn't crucified! - by ecclesiastes - 10-28-2011, 06:01 PM
Re: Jesus wasn't crucified! - by Vetus Ordo - 10-28-2011, 06:10 PM
Re: Jesus wasn't crucified! - by Walty - 10-28-2011, 06:21 PM
Re: Jesus wasn't crucified! - by ecclesiastes - 10-28-2011, 06:34 PM
Re: Jesus wasn't crucified! - by Walty - 10-28-2011, 06:37 PM
Re: Jesus wasn't crucified! - by ecclesiastes - 10-28-2011, 06:37 PM
Re: Jesus wasn't crucified! - by paul11b - 10-28-2011, 06:39 PM
Re: Jesus wasn't crucified! - by ecclesiastes - 10-28-2011, 06:41 PM
Re: Jesus wasn't crucified! - by Pilgrim - 10-28-2011, 06:48 PM
Re: Jesus wasn't crucified! - by paul11b - 10-28-2011, 06:50 PM
Re: Jesus wasn't crucified! - by ecclesiastes - 10-28-2011, 06:54 PM
Re: Jesus wasn't crucified! - by Pilgrim - 10-28-2011, 07:09 PM
Re: Jesus wasn't crucified! - by Vetus Ordo - 10-28-2011, 07:29 PM
Re: Jesus wasn't crucified! - by drummerboy - 10-28-2011, 07:31 PM
Re: Jesus wasn't crucified! - by DrBombay - 10-28-2011, 07:54 PM
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