Jan 21 Bp Williamson column
(01-25-2012, 04:35 PM)Freudentaumel Wrote:
(01-25-2012, 04:01 PM)TrentCath Wrote:
(01-25-2012, 04:00 PM)Freudentaumel Wrote:
(01-25-2012, 03:47 PM)TrentCath Wrote: This has to be the best example of forcing a text to bear another meaning than the one it has I've seen for quite some time. The quote is absolutely relevant for the following reasons:
1)It upholds the fact that we do not owe an absolute obedience to the Holy Father, that in fact he cannot ask for such a thing
2)That if a Pope commands anything against holy scripture, the articles of faith or the truth of sacraments or assaults souls or strove to destroy the church we do not have to obey him but can even resist him and seek to hinder his will
3)That situations may arise where the impossible may happen and a person may be forced to disobey the Pope, this is related to the argument which people make of their being a 'state of necessity', in that Bl Cardinal Newman agrees situations may arise where it is possible for the normal rules and regulations of the church to be unable to fulfill their purpose.

OK, I see that you do not even want to address my point. It doesn't make any sense to argue then.

???

No I see that your argument consists of 'look at proof... " thats not proof it actually means (say exact opposite of what it means)"  >:(
I write a post in which I explicitly state that there are situations in which I would disobey the pope, to which you answer that there are situations in which one should disobey the pope. But you don't address anything else I said.
You know, I never thought I could convince you. I'm just writing for the people who are reading, and they understand quite well what I'm talking about.

It's odd thats just what I was going to say about you  :P

But really you did just point blank brush what I said under the carpet by saying 'You don't get it.. theres no point discussing it' rather than dealing with the issues at hand.

This idea of sspx'ers saying 'except if the pope is a sinner' is likewise  :deadhorse:

The point is not that the pope is a sinner but that his actions demonstrate an underlying heterodoxy which he seeks to enforce onto others and promote. This is a very different question from say 'the pope is an adulterer' or the pope is 'a sodomite' (as was said of some of the popes during the renaissance)
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Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by a83192 - 01-21-2012, 10:38 AM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Gerard - 01-21-2012, 11:16 AM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Stubborn - 01-21-2012, 01:24 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Josué - 01-21-2012, 04:30 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by ggreg - 01-21-2012, 06:30 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Warrenton - 01-21-2012, 07:16 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by tmw89 - 01-21-2012, 07:22 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Josué - 01-22-2012, 12:37 AM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-22-2012, 09:08 AM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by dahveed - 01-22-2012, 09:10 AM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-22-2012, 10:50 AM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-22-2012, 11:11 AM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Justin - 01-22-2012, 11:35 AM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Meg - 01-22-2012, 11:55 AM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-22-2012, 11:58 AM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-22-2012, 11:59 AM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Meg - 01-22-2012, 12:03 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-22-2012, 12:37 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Stubborn - 01-22-2012, 12:43 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Meg - 01-22-2012, 12:51 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-22-2012, 01:12 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Meg - 01-22-2012, 01:30 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-22-2012, 01:34 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Meg - 01-22-2012, 01:35 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Warrenton - 01-22-2012, 01:51 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Stubborn - 01-22-2012, 02:29 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-22-2012, 02:38 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by calicatholic - 01-22-2012, 08:12 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Stubborn - 01-22-2012, 09:32 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by calicatholic - 01-23-2012, 01:41 AM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Dragonslayer - 01-23-2012, 02:14 AM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Tapatio - 01-23-2012, 02:27 AM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Guardian - 01-23-2012, 02:54 AM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Stubborn - 01-23-2012, 07:35 AM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-23-2012, 08:05 AM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Jesse - 01-23-2012, 02:09 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Historian - 01-23-2012, 02:53 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-23-2012, 02:58 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Jesse - 01-23-2012, 03:04 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-23-2012, 03:07 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Historian - 01-23-2012, 03:10 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-23-2012, 03:15 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Historian - 01-23-2012, 03:25 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-23-2012, 03:43 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Historian - 01-23-2012, 04:03 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-23-2012, 04:09 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Justin - 01-23-2012, 09:05 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-23-2012, 09:25 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by JayneK - 01-23-2012, 09:52 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-23-2012, 10:01 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by JayneK - 01-23-2012, 10:43 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-23-2012, 11:48 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Gerard - 01-24-2012, 12:02 AM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by calicatholic - 01-24-2012, 11:35 AM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by JayneK - 01-24-2012, 12:58 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by JayneK - 01-24-2012, 01:02 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by JayneK - 01-24-2012, 01:08 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Old Salt - 01-24-2012, 01:19 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Old Salt - 01-24-2012, 01:34 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Old Salt - 01-24-2012, 01:47 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by JayneK - 01-24-2012, 02:01 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by JayneK - 01-24-2012, 02:27 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by JayneK - 01-24-2012, 02:34 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-24-2012, 03:48 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-24-2012, 03:50 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-24-2012, 03:52 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-24-2012, 03:53 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by JayneK - 01-24-2012, 04:30 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-24-2012, 04:33 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by JayneK - 01-24-2012, 04:36 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by JayneK - 01-24-2012, 04:39 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-24-2012, 05:04 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-24-2012, 05:04 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Gerard - 01-24-2012, 11:28 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Gerard - 01-24-2012, 11:31 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by JayneK - 01-24-2012, 11:33 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Gerard - 01-24-2012, 11:53 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by JayneK - 01-24-2012, 11:56 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-25-2012, 07:32 AM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by JayneK - 01-25-2012, 02:48 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-25-2012, 02:59 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Tapatio - 01-25-2012, 03:08 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-25-2012, 03:10 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by JayneK - 01-25-2012, 03:13 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-25-2012, 03:15 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by JayneK - 01-25-2012, 03:16 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-25-2012, 03:17 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-25-2012, 03:22 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-25-2012, 03:25 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by tmw89 - 01-25-2012, 03:29 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-25-2012, 03:32 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by tmw89 - 01-25-2012, 03:44 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-25-2012, 03:47 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-25-2012, 03:50 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-25-2012, 04:01 PM
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