The real St. Francis of Assisi
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(01-30-2012, 06:37 PM)StrictCatholicGirl Wrote:
(01-30-2012, 06:12 PM)JayneK Wrote: The false St. Francis is the liberal ideal.  Almost by definition, that is something feminized.  Of course, women can also have orthodox faith, but that faith is not a feminine faith.  Voris is making a reasonable distinction here.

Francis' idea of “living the gospel” and forming the friars minor was very radical in its time. What they might call liberal in the sense that it was innovative and groundbreaking, a departure from the tradition of monasticism. Yes, he was a loyal son of the church and obedient to the Pope. Is that a feminine or liberal attitude? Is it a masculine or conservative attitude? We shouldn't use those labels in Catholicism. You are either orthodox or you aren't. I don't know what you mean by orthodox faith being “not a feminine faith.” The truth is the truth. Perhaps certain methods of teaching the faith can be aggressive or passive, exclusive or inclusive, or somewhere in between. I agree with Voris that the hippie-izing of Francis is false and unfortune, but we don't need to deny that he sang songs to Brother Wolf and Sister Stars. Again, we need a  complete picture of Francis. His approach and spirituality was his own. 

Why shouldn't we use the labels masculine and feminine? Masculine refers to using reason, basing decisions on principles, valuing hierarchical order.  Feminine refers to using emotion, basing decisions on personal relationships, valuing informal networks.  Like knittycat was saying, this does not equate to females and males.  Orthodox Catholicism has qualities that are masculine.  Modernism rejects these and tries to make a feminized Church. 

Nobody has suggested that we ought to deny that St. Francis sang songs and felt connected to nature.  Adding a bunch of lies to these few truths in order to make a Saint for liberals is wrong.  Really wrong.
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Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by Norbert - 01-30-2012, 05:07 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by JayneK - 01-30-2012, 05:29 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by SCG - 01-30-2012, 05:52 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by SCG - 01-30-2012, 06:00 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by JayneK - 01-30-2012, 06:12 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by knittycat - 01-30-2012, 06:23 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by JayneK - 01-30-2012, 06:29 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by SCG - 01-30-2012, 06:37 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by JayneK - 01-30-2012, 06:55 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by JayneK - 01-30-2012, 07:20 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by JayneK - 01-30-2012, 07:21 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by SCG - 01-30-2012, 07:36 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by knittycat - 01-30-2012, 07:38 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by SCG - 01-30-2012, 07:38 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by knittycat - 01-30-2012, 07:39 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by JayneK - 01-30-2012, 08:09 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by JayneK - 01-30-2012, 09:01 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by SCG - 01-30-2012, 09:14 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by knittycat - 01-30-2012, 09:21 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by SCG - 01-30-2012, 09:25 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by JayneK - 01-30-2012, 09:29 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by knittycat - 01-30-2012, 09:33 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by SCG - 01-30-2012, 09:33 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by JayneK - 01-30-2012, 09:37 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by JayneK - 01-30-2012, 09:39 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by SCG - 01-30-2012, 09:45 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by JayneK - 01-30-2012, 09:52 PM
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Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by Iolanthe - 01-30-2012, 10:04 PM
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Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by JayneK - 01-30-2012, 10:45 PM
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Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by JayneK - 01-30-2012, 11:19 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by Iolanthe - 01-31-2012, 01:43 AM
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Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by Iolanthe - 01-31-2012, 03:01 PM
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Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by JayneK - 01-31-2012, 03:08 PM
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Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by JayneK - 01-31-2012, 03:19 PM
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Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by Richard C - 01-31-2012, 03:37 PM
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Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by Tim - 01-31-2012, 06:10 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by Guardian - 01-31-2012, 07:20 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by SCG - 01-31-2012, 08:22 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by JayneK - 01-31-2012, 08:29 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by Iolanthe - 01-31-2012, 09:57 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by JayneK - 01-31-2012, 11:12 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by Iolanthe - 02-01-2012, 12:22 AM
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Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by Iolanthe - 02-01-2012, 05:20 AM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by JayneK - 02-01-2012, 08:41 AM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by Guardian - 02-01-2012, 12:41 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by Warrenton - 02-01-2012, 01:43 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by JayneK - 02-01-2012, 02:19 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by SCG - 02-01-2012, 02:31 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by SCG - 02-01-2012, 02:45 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by JayneK - 02-01-2012, 03:00 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by SCG - 02-01-2012, 03:05 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by Iolanthe - 02-01-2012, 03:27 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by JayneK - 02-01-2012, 03:37 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by JayneK - 02-01-2012, 04:02 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by Tim - 02-01-2012, 04:06 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by Iolanthe - 02-01-2012, 04:10 PM
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Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by Iolanthe - 02-01-2012, 04:15 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by JayneK - 02-01-2012, 04:24 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by Iolanthe - 02-01-2012, 04:26 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by Iolanthe - 02-01-2012, 04:29 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by Iolanthe - 02-01-2012, 04:33 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by JayneK - 02-01-2012, 04:35 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by Guardian - 02-01-2012, 04:51 PM
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Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by Iolanthe - 02-01-2012, 05:17 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by Iolanthe - 02-01-2012, 05:22 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by JayneK - 02-01-2012, 05:27 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by Iolanthe - 02-01-2012, 05:38 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by JayneK - 02-01-2012, 05:55 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by Guardian - 02-01-2012, 07:05 PM
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