It's good to be a Melkite
#51
(02-13-2012, 08:30 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote: This is an absolute strawman. If a full and encompassing understanding of the miracle of the real presence were required to all communicants, no-one could ever partake of it since it's an unfathomable mystery in and of itself. I don't know where you get these ideas from. What is required is a proper discernment of the Body and Blood of our Lord, as Scripture itself demands: "For as often as you shall eat this bread, and drink the chalice, you shall shew the death of the Lord, until he come. Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord. But let a man prove himself: and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of the chalice. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord." (1 Cor. 11:26-29)

In other words, the communicant, besides being baptised and alive, must be free from mortal sin (granted in the case of infants) and understand that Christ is truly and substantially present underneath the species of bread and wine (not granted under the age of reason). This, of course, is not an absolute requirement otherwise giving Holy Communion to infants as done in the Eastern churches would be sacrilegious.

More importantly, it's not an absolute requirement, seeing as the Apostles themselves did not see fit to withhold it from infants.  There's nothing in the verses you quoted about proper discernment, but being properly prepared, i.e., not in a state of mortal sin.  Christ himself said no one has life in him unless he eats his flesh and drinks his blood.  He also said to not hinder children from coming to him.  Obviously, the Apostles understood reception of the Eucharist to be included in that.  The current Latin practice is a relative novelty.  It is MODERN.  Its defense hasn't a leg to stand on.  Unless you have something actually new to add, I think we're about done here.
Reply


Messages In This Thread
It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-12-2012, 10:33 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by jovan66102 - 02-12-2012, 10:49 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Mithrandylan - 02-12-2012, 11:30 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-12-2012, 11:32 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Gerard - 02-13-2012, 12:18 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-13-2012, 01:27 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Mithrandylan - 02-13-2012, 01:34 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-13-2012, 01:50 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Parmandur - 02-13-2012, 02:58 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Vetus Ordo - 02-13-2012, 04:20 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-13-2012, 09:21 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Vetus Ordo - 02-13-2012, 09:28 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-13-2012, 09:35 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-13-2012, 09:48 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Vetus Ordo - 02-13-2012, 09:57 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Vetus Ordo - 02-13-2012, 10:00 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-13-2012, 10:07 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Vetus Ordo - 02-13-2012, 10:11 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-13-2012, 10:13 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Vetus Ordo - 02-13-2012, 10:15 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Vetus Ordo - 02-13-2012, 10:19 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Gerard - 02-13-2012, 10:22 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-13-2012, 10:53 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Vetus Ordo - 02-13-2012, 10:56 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Vetus Ordo - 02-13-2012, 11:03 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-13-2012, 11:22 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Vetus Ordo - 02-13-2012, 11:40 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-13-2012, 11:53 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Vetus Ordo - 02-13-2012, 12:15 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-13-2012, 12:20 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Vetus Ordo - 02-13-2012, 12:36 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Vetus Ordo - 02-13-2012, 12:42 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-13-2012, 12:56 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Vetus Ordo - 02-13-2012, 01:07 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-13-2012, 06:02 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Whitey - 02-13-2012, 06:54 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by jovan66102 - 02-13-2012, 07:08 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-13-2012, 07:44 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Whitey - 02-13-2012, 07:53 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Mithrandylan - 02-13-2012, 08:04 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Vetus Ordo - 02-13-2012, 08:30 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Whitey - 02-13-2012, 08:31 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-13-2012, 08:50 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-13-2012, 08:58 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Whitey - 02-13-2012, 09:09 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Vetus Ordo - 02-13-2012, 09:11 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-13-2012, 11:10 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Gerard - 02-13-2012, 11:27 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by nmoerbeek - 02-14-2012, 09:53 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-14-2012, 10:08 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by StMichael929 - 02-14-2012, 11:08 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Gerard - 02-14-2012, 11:19 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by TrentCath - 02-14-2012, 02:59 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by TrentCath - 02-14-2012, 03:04 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-14-2012, 03:49 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-14-2012, 03:53 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Silouan - 02-14-2012, 03:57 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Silouan - 02-14-2012, 04:00 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Vetus Ordo - 02-14-2012, 04:01 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Silouan - 02-14-2012, 04:02 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Vetus Ordo - 02-14-2012, 04:03 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by GottmitunsAlex - 02-14-2012, 04:03 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Silouan - 02-14-2012, 04:11 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Vetus Ordo - 02-14-2012, 04:17 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by TrentCath - 02-14-2012, 04:18 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Vetus Ordo - 02-14-2012, 04:19 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by TrentCath - 02-14-2012, 04:20 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by TrentCath - 02-14-2012, 04:21 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by SCG - 02-14-2012, 04:23 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by TrentCath - 02-14-2012, 04:27 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-14-2012, 05:07 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by TrentCath - 02-14-2012, 05:17 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Vetus Ordo - 02-14-2012, 05:20 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-14-2012, 05:23 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Gerard - 02-14-2012, 05:31 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Silouan - 02-14-2012, 05:55 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-14-2012, 06:00 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Vetus Ordo - 02-14-2012, 06:01 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Vetus Ordo - 02-14-2012, 06:02 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by TrentCath - 02-14-2012, 06:18 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Parmandur - 02-14-2012, 06:22 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by TrentCath - 02-14-2012, 06:47 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Parmandur - 02-14-2012, 06:51 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by TrentCath - 02-14-2012, 06:54 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Parmandur - 02-14-2012, 07:00 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Vetus Ordo - 02-14-2012, 07:02 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Parmandur - 02-14-2012, 07:10 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-14-2012, 07:12 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-14-2012, 07:20 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Vetus Ordo - 02-14-2012, 07:22 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Vetus Ordo - 02-14-2012, 07:24 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-14-2012, 07:30 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by mikemac - 02-14-2012, 07:43 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Parmandur - 02-14-2012, 07:43 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-14-2012, 08:15 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Vetus Ordo - 02-14-2012, 08:22 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by TrentCath - 02-14-2012, 08:28 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Josie - 02-14-2012, 08:33 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-14-2012, 10:04 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Vetus Ordo - 02-14-2012, 10:07 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-14-2012, 10:09 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Vetus Ordo - 02-14-2012, 10:19 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-14-2012, 10:34 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by nmoerbeek - 02-15-2012, 12:40 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Gerard - 02-15-2012, 01:33 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Gerard - 02-15-2012, 02:15 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by TrentCath - 02-15-2012, 05:52 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by TrentCath - 02-15-2012, 06:05 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-15-2012, 07:54 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by TrentCath - 02-15-2012, 08:37 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-15-2012, 01:12 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by AxxeArp - 02-15-2012, 01:17 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by AxxeArp - 02-15-2012, 01:24 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-15-2012, 02:13 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Parmandur - 02-15-2012, 02:58 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by TrentCath - 02-15-2012, 03:16 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by TrentCath - 02-15-2012, 03:17 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Parmandur - 02-15-2012, 03:23 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Vetus Ordo - 02-15-2012, 03:40 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Parmandur - 02-15-2012, 03:44 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Vetus Ordo - 02-15-2012, 03:48 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Parmandur - 02-15-2012, 03:58 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by TrentCath - 02-15-2012, 04:44 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Parmandur - 02-15-2012, 04:48 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Josie - 02-15-2012, 04:53 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Parmandur - 02-15-2012, 04:55 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Josie - 02-15-2012, 04:57 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by TrentCath - 02-15-2012, 05:05 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-15-2012, 05:14 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by JayneK - 02-15-2012, 05:18 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Josie - 02-15-2012, 05:44 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by kingtheoden - 02-15-2012, 05:45 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by TrentCath - 02-15-2012, 05:57 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Parmandur - 02-15-2012, 06:13 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by TrentCath - 02-15-2012, 06:38 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Parmandur - 02-15-2012, 06:44 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by TrentCath - 02-15-2012, 07:14 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-15-2012, 08:10 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by TrentCath - 02-15-2012, 08:23 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-15-2012, 08:38 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Vetus Ordo - 02-15-2012, 08:50 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-15-2012, 09:17 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Vetus Ordo - 02-15-2012, 09:22 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by UnamSanctam - 02-15-2012, 09:27 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by UnamSanctam - 02-15-2012, 09:27 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Silouan - 02-16-2012, 12:10 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Silouan - 02-16-2012, 12:16 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Silouan - 02-16-2012, 12:19 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by TrentCath - 02-16-2012, 04:31 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Tobri - 02-16-2012, 12:07 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Gerard - 02-16-2012, 02:35 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-16-2012, 03:14 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by CrusaderKing - 02-16-2012, 03:30 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by TrentCath - 02-16-2012, 03:33 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-16-2012, 03:39 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Josie - 02-16-2012, 03:47 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by TrentCath - 02-16-2012, 04:14 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Gerard - 02-16-2012, 04:46 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Whitey - 02-16-2012, 04:53 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by TrentCath - 02-16-2012, 06:05 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Parmandur - 02-16-2012, 06:40 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by TrentCath - 02-16-2012, 06:43 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Parmandur - 02-16-2012, 06:45 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by TrentCath - 02-16-2012, 07:45 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Norbert - 02-16-2012, 08:25 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Parmandur - 02-16-2012, 08:37 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Parmandur - 02-16-2012, 08:43 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Vetus Ordo - 02-16-2012, 09:54 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Norbert - 02-16-2012, 10:07 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Parmandur - 02-16-2012, 11:31 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Vetus Ordo - 02-16-2012, 11:39 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-17-2012, 01:38 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-17-2012, 01:39 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-17-2012, 02:17 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Gerard - 02-17-2012, 04:04 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by TrentCath - 02-17-2012, 05:44 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-17-2012, 11:31 AM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Vetus Ordo - 02-17-2012, 01:08 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by AxxeArp - 02-17-2012, 01:39 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by AxxeArp - 02-17-2012, 01:40 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Vetus Ordo - 02-17-2012, 01:45 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-17-2012, 03:00 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Vetus Ordo - 02-17-2012, 03:30 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by UnamSanctam - 02-17-2012, 09:05 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by TrentCath - 02-18-2012, 07:19 AM



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)