It's good to be a Melkite
(02-15-2012, 08:10 PM)Melkite Wrote:
(02-15-2012, 05:45 PM)kingtheoden Wrote: Respectfully Melkite, this is absolutely nothing to be proud of.  This confirms for the thousandth time that there is, within Eastern quarters, organized disobedience and schismatism under the cover of sui juris.

At the same time that Latin tradition has been virtually stamped out and made illegal in a de facto sense, the exact same traitors urged on an artificial 'de-latinization' to roll back changes with communities for several centuries.  Read the Bishop's letter: he is demanding that local communities suddenly follow a liturgically excavated tradition thanks to Bugnini's Protestant freemason crew.

There are legitimate liturgical and spiritual methods to be lively lived out in the Uniate bodies.  However, this has become an all-out assault on A) Latin customs and spirituality that, over the course of time and events, permeated Eastern boundaries B) Revealed truth, at least implicitly (e.g., I understand the organically developed spiritual uniqueness, but how in the world is it theologically acceptable to, by fiat, forbid Eastern Catholics from enjoying the fruits of Catholic devotions like Adoration?) C) Good natured piety (by constantly attacking Thomism, Latin, Latin rituals, etc. it is just becomes a climate of nastiness and clinging to empty traditions, essentially superstition.)

Consider this, step back and look at that avatar picture proclaiming ‘Damn, I’m eradicating freely and willfully practiced traditions centuries ago imported from Latin brothers.  AWESOME!’  

Vetus and the others are absolutely right; this is tragic and truly another opportunity of pain on the Body of Christ.

You're being completely rediculous.  Organized disobedience and schism because we're going back to our own practices?  Seriously, will you Latins ever get over yourselves?  Your **** don't smell like roses just cause it splats in Latin.

Whether individual Eastern Catholics have become accustomed to certain Latin practices is irrelevant.  You are being dishonest historically when you suggest that all the Easterners gladly adopted Latin practices, as if the Latins swept in to save the day, saving us barbarous Easterners from dreadfully inferior practices.  You *forced* them on us, you don't now get to complain that we are returning to our own traditions in our own parishes.  When we start forcing you to do things our way in your parishes, then we'll talk.

The fact is, no Eastern Catholic is forbidden from taking part in any Latin practice they want to.  They are just as free to practice them in a Latin parish if that is what they want.  There is absolutely NO GOOD REASON that we should also have to follow your practices in our parishes as well.  You are so concerned about Easterners that want to practice Latin traditions, yet you show no concern for Easterners who want to practice Byzantine traditions.  For those of us who would like to be truly Byzantine, where exactly are we supposed to go if our own parishes are to be reserved for the Latin wannabes?  The only reason a Latin Catholic could be troubled by a Latin practice being discontinued in an Eastern parish, when it is still practiced in the more numerous Latin parishes, is if your extraordinarily inflated egos suffer such an inferiority complex that it is impossible to see any goodness in your own traditions unless everyone else practices them as well.  Seriously, GET OVER YOURSELVES.  When have we ever, even once, tried to force our traditions on you in your own parishes.  You have 99.87% of the entire Church.  If you complain that you don't have the remaining 0.13% practicing according to your will, where exactly are people like me, who appreciate our Byzantine traditions, supposed to go?  If we cannot even have our own parishes, how can you possibly say you respect our traditions and hold no animosity against us, when your very actions and complaints say you shall never be happy until you have molded every last one of us into your image?

Not really helping your case here. If people are so narrow minded, as you make out, that they cannot deal with both east and west, that they cannot (as many ukranian and eastern european catholics have done) integrate the rosary, the sacred heart etc... into their practices and vice versa then they need to take a long, hard look at themselves. Do you think that the Blessed Virgin approved the Rosary for only the western Church or that Jesus only wishes to propogate devotion to his Sacred heart amongst latins? Or that the popes and many saints who promoted these devotions did as well? No tradition is entirely 'pure', the very idea is nonsensical and ridicalous, if we want to be consistent should the western Church get rid of incense? That came from th east. And Ikons too, we can't have any of those, we'll get rid of the 'kyrie eleison' as well as it's not in Latin. You may say thats absurd but I've seen eastern Catholics suggesting no eastern catholic church could be named 'Our lady of Fatima'  :eyeroll:

These comments seem to come from a chronic insecurity seemingly prevelant amongst eastern catholics and a kind of spiritual stagnation and parasitism which can only survive by attacking the west and making itself as different from the west as possible, never considering whether it is chucking the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak.

It is as if you believe that to appreciate the east one must denigrate the west and vice versa, what nonsense! I appreciate michelangelo but that does not mean I insult byzantine art, I like the hail mary but I do not trash the jesus prayer, I like the Roman mass that does not mean I trash the byzantine liturgies or for that matter the ambrosian or mozarabic (which I actually prefer).

It is not Latins who need to get over ourselves but you and others like you who need to swallow their pride, people often talk about the SSPX being on a schismatic trajectory, well I'm sorry but many of the eastern catholic churches are way further down any so called schismatic trajectory than they are
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It's good to be a Melkite - by Melkite - 02-12-2012, 10:33 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by jovan66102 - 02-12-2012, 10:49 PM
Re: It's good to be a Melkite - by Mithrandylan - 02-12-2012, 11:30 PM
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