It's good to be a Melkite
(02-17-2012, 04:04 AM)Gerard Wrote: If there were a need for those so-called "Latinizations" or other "Latinizations" to be adopted or re-adopted would you be opposed to that "force" as well or would you welcome it as much as the "forcing" of "DeLatinization" ? 

If there were a true need, no.  But can you think of a reason that would constitute true need, and not merely Latin arrogance?  I don't know of any Latinizations that have truly been needed by the East.

Quote:But the Orthodox were into forcing churches to abandon their traditions like the Georgian rite in favor of the Divine Liturgy, so why is it so important to look Orthodox and not develop as authentically Melkite which includes influence from the Latin Church?  There is no actual reason for appealing to the Orthodox as an ideal. 

It's not that we need to look Orthodox per se, it's just that, those are our authentic traditions.  The Orthodox, technically, aren't practicing Orthodox traditions, they're practicing Catholic Byzantine traditions.

Quote:Nobody is saying you can't work to persuade people that there are other options available. If you can make a case based on something other than running down Melkite/Latin shared traditions, more power to you. 

The Rosary takes about 19 minutes to say at a reasonable pace, how long does Melkite Matins take? 

Matins is usually anywhere from 45 minutes to an hour and 15 minutes.

Quote:You might think this is sarcastic but it's not.  Join the Rosary and make your intention for the inclusion of Matins. I'm sure the Blessed Mother would come through for you.

Ok, so what then if there are more people praying the rosary to not have the rosary replaced by matins?  I know the Church isn't a democracy, but what about the communion of saints?

Quote:I don't see why the incorporation of the old tradition has to force the Latinized tradition out.  Baptism is a relatively private event, it doesn't necessarily require the whole parish be present.

So, I don't see how denying the people that want to follow the reasoning laid out for the cognitive reception and preparation for the Lord have to lose that for you to have a private ceremony and you and your child don't have be present at the First Holy Communion services, or you can be present and support them in their parish traditions. 

Well, baptism may be a relatively private event in the Latin tradition, but it is a public event in the Melkite tradition.  I'm not sure how good an idea it is to have two competing traditions going on in the same parish.  What exactly would an FSSP or SSPX priest's reaction be if I were to approach for communion, inform him that I am a Melkite and it is our tradition to receive the Eucharist under both species and that I would like to continue my tradition there?  What would be his reaction if I informed him that I wanted to have my child confirmed and receive communion on the day of his baptism?  They will tell me the exact same thing. "This is a Roman Catholic parish, we do things the Roman way here."

Quote:Answered above. You don't have to stop everyone else from having their children's first communion at the age of reason in the Melkite Church for you to have your child communicated at Baptism. Latin rite Catholics can ask for absolution in the vernacular or Latin if the priest is capable. It's child's play for priest's to know more than one form for the ceremonies. 

Equally answered above.  Which Latin priest would show me the same courtesy in a Latin parish?

Quote:Again, it's a "purity" of traditions thing for you it seems. To those attached to certain Latin practices, they aren't "Latin practices" they are Melkite practices that have become a part of the fabric of the Melkite Church. 

It's very ironic to read that on a website that praises the purity of the older Latin traditions.  The NO traditions have become commonplace for many in the Latin Church.  They are no longer modernist practices, they are Latin practices that have become a part of the fabric of the Latin Church.

Quote:No. I'm saying that you and the bishop are simply repeating the "crime" of "forcing" Melkites to give up their traditions solely because you don't like the particular Church where they came from. The bishop is obviously getting resistance to the "De-Latinization" of Vatican II's criminals and so he's relying on "force" to get his will. He can't actually come up with a spiritually pastoral reason to do what he's doing so, he appeals to pride and strawman arguments against the Melkite traditions that came by way of the Latin Church. 

Being anti-Latin isn't a valid reason for wanting to get rid of Melkite traditions that came by way of the Latin Church.

Well, I certainly get why suffering is so important in the Latin tradition now.  Something wrong was perpetrated against us, and rather than trying to go back and get justice, it's better to just continue living and move on, and to suffer the loss.  Maybe that's why this is such a difficult issue for me.  I've never been good with letting go of the past.  I know what we had before was better, and what my parish in particular has now.  To have something that was rightfully mine robbed from me (I'm speaking more on other issues now) and knowing that I can never get it back, I don't know, I just can't let go.  Knowing that I can never get something back that was good, it makes me feel violated.  Emasculated.  Raped I guess.  I guess that's why I'm so defensive about what Melkite traditions I do have now being taken away.

Have you ever thought about becoming a therapist?  You seem to be helping me work through stuff I didn't even know was there.


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