“We can not celebrate sin”
Just a quick note on the Joint Statement of Justification.  Documents like that are not meant to stand alone or be definitive, they are working documents, that the Church must pass judgment on. As Pope Benedict noted a while back, "Nevertheless their proper significance should be recognized as a contribution offered to the competent Authority of the Church, which alone is called to judge them definitively. To ascribe to these texts a binding or as it were definitive solution to the thorny questions of the dialogues without the proper evaluation of the ecclesial Authority, would ultimately hinder the journey toward full unity in faith. "

In regards to the Lutheran Joint Statement, while not intended to be definitive, an "official response" of the Church was published by the CDF under Ratzinger and can be found here:


It explains where Lutheran doctrines on this matter and even certain sentences in the joint statement are not compatible with the anathemas of the Council of Trent.  For one example,

Quote:For Catholics, therefore, the formula "at the same time righteous and sinner", as it is explained at the beginning of n. 29 ("Believers are totally righteous, in that God forgives their sins through Word and Sacrament ...Looking at themselves ... however, they recognize that they remain also totally sinners. Sin still lives in them..."), is not acceptable.

This statement does not, in fact, seem compatible with the renewal and sanctification of the interior man of which the Council of Trent speaks (4). The expression "Opposition to God" (Gottwidrigkeit) that is used in nn. 28-30 is understood differently by Lutherans and by Catholics, and so becomes, in fact, equivocal. In this same sense, there can be ambiguity for a Catholic in the sentence of n. 22, "... God no longer imputes to them their sin and through the Holy Spirit effects in them an active love", because man's interior transformation is not clearly seen. So, for all these reasons, it remains difficult to see how, in the current state of the presentation, given in the Joint Declaration, we can say that this doctrine on "simul iustus et peccator" is not touched by the anathemas of the Tridentine decree on original sin and justification.


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“We can not celebrate sin” - by Vincentius - 06-21-2012, 09:20 PM
Re: “We can not celebrate sin” - by Walty - 06-21-2012, 09:24 PM
Re: “We can not celebrate sin” - by mikemac - 06-21-2012, 10:39 PM
Re: “We can not celebrate sin” - by cgraye - 06-21-2012, 11:52 PM
Re: “We can not celebrate sin” - by mikemac - 06-22-2012, 06:13 PM
Re: “We can not celebrate sin” - by salus - 06-22-2012, 08:29 PM
Re: “We can not celebrate sin” - by salus - 06-22-2012, 08:31 PM
Re: “We can not celebrate sin” - by SaintSebastian - 06-23-2012, 01:20 PM

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