Fides manducans intellectum!
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Bp. Tissier discusses Newman's conception of the development of Christian doctrine in this section of his excellent Sel de la Terre article "Faith Imperiled by Reason: Benedict XVI's Hermeneutics" (cf. The Remnant's interview with Bp. Tissier).

Cf. to the original Newman section Bp. Tissier cites.

If you read it, doesn't it sound like Modernism, idealism, and Hegelianism to the tee? He sees doctrinal development not as the deepening understanding, using the external instruments of philosophy, of the unchanging deposit of Faith / Tradition (using a premise of faith, a premise of reason, and drawing a theological conclusion); but compares it to the growth of an organism that assimilates "external materials;" thus this could be called "fides manducans intellectum" ("faith eating understanding")! He even uses the term "living tradition" and upholds the utilitarian notion of dogma that whatever is most vital or successful must be truest.

Against all this are Lamentabili's condemned propositions, e.g.:
Lamentabili Wrote:53. The organic constitution of the Church is not immutable. Like human society, Christian society is subject to a perpetual evolution.
54. Dogmas, Sacraments and hierarchy, both their notion and reality, are only interpretations and evolutions of the Christian intelligence which have increased and perfected by an external series of additions the little germ latent in the Gospel.
58. Truth is no more immutable than man himself, since it evolved with him, in him, and through him.
59. Christ did not teach a determined body of doctrine applicable to all times and all men, but rather inaugurated a religious movement adapted or to be adapted to different times and places.

Bp. Tissier relates this to why Rahner and Ratzinger refused to "proclaim the blessed Virgin ‘Mediatrix of all graces,’ because, they said, such a title ‘would result in unimaginable evils from the ecumenical [utilitarian] point of view.’," and thus it fails to be a good "doctrinal development" according to Newman.

The Modernists see everything from a Naturalistic perspective… (In fact, Card. Manning wrote about Newman's' thought: "worldly Catholicism, and it will have the worldly on its side, and will deceive many.") Domine, miserere nobis!

And, finally, an interesting quote:
Newmans Development of Christian Doctrine Wrote:In Christianity, opinion, while a raw material, is called philosophy or scholasticism; when a rejected refuse, it is called heresy.
Does this imply dogma is an accepted opinion

Cf. Newman's Development of Christian Doctrine to Card. Manning's excellent [i]The temporal mission of the Holy Ghost : or, Reason and revelation[i].
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Fides manducans intellectum! - by Geremia - 10-22-2012, 07:54 PM
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