The Unmoved Mover and Pure Act
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(02-14-2013, 01:28 PM)Scotus Wrote: I am planning to give a talk in my local parish on the proofs for the existence of God. I was planning to spend the bulk of the time on the First Way of St Thomas Aquinas i.e. the Argument from Motion. However, as I have been working out how to explain each step of the proof there seems (to me at least) in the assertion that the First Mover must be Pure Act. Certainly, it is clear that this Unmoved Mover is not moved by any other (as we would carry on with our infinite regress), but it does seem to me that there is a jump from proving that there is an Unmoved Mover to stating that this Mover is immovable. In the order of causes this being must be in act in such a way that it is has not been reduced to that act by any other being. But how can we prove that there is no potency in this being, even though these potencies might never be reduced to act?

If we can prove that this Unmoved Mover is Pure Act then it seems that we have failed to prove the existence of God by the evidence of motion in the world.

These theoretical "dark matter" potencies aren't really potency, if they "might never be reduced to act."  Potency is the principle of change.  If something *can* be changed, it *will* be changed, in Aristotelian physics.

You have to understand, though, that this is not a proof, like A-squared + B-squared = C-squared, with QED and all that.  St. Thomas' "Ways" are not meant to work like that, they are not ironclad or meant to convince like math.
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The Unmoved Mover and Pure Act - by Scotus - 02-14-2013, 01:28 PM
Re: The Unmoved Mover and Pure Act - by Parmandur - 02-14-2013, 02:07 PM
Re: The Unmoved Mover and Pure Act - by Scotus - 02-16-2013, 07:45 AM
Re: The Unmoved Mover and Pure Act - by Allan - 02-16-2013, 11:07 AM
Re: The Unmoved Mover and Pure Act - by Scotus - 02-17-2013, 07:08 AM
Re: The Unmoved Mover and Pure Act - by Doce Me - 02-18-2013, 12:59 AM
Re: The Unmoved Mover and Pure Act - by Scotus - 02-18-2013, 06:48 AM
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Re: The Unmoved Mover and Pure Act - by Papist - 02-21-2013, 03:35 PM
Re: The Unmoved Mover and Pure Act - by Doce Me - 02-22-2013, 02:08 AM
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Re: The Unmoved Mover and Pure Act - by Parmandur - 02-23-2013, 01:32 PM
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Re: The Unmoved Mover and Pure Act - by Doce Me - 02-27-2013, 03:23 AM
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Re: The Unmoved Mover and Pure Act - by Scotus - 02-28-2013, 05:54 PM
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