Catholics and homosexuality
(03-10-2013, 08:18 AM)m.PR Wrote:
(03-10-2013, 08:12 AM)JayneK Wrote: While Burdensome may deny making assumptions about Courage and its meetings, there have been repeated comments throughout this thread about the meetings being some form of group therapy and that the meetings being an occasion of sin for its participants.  These were assumptions with no apparent factual basis.

Sure. But that's not the core of the argument, which is that the structure of the thing is bad because it helps people with same-sex attraction identify and spend time with and share their struggles with other people with same-sex attraction, of the same sex.

It seems a very strong argument, at least for those of us who believe there are some situations that are intrinsically occasions of sin.

I am not sure it is possible for a situation to be an intrinsic occasion of sin  (this just isn't a category in traditional Catholic moral theology) but I do believe that some situations are common or likely occasions of sin.  It seems extremely unlikely to me that Courage meetings are an occasion of sin.  Have any of you people who think that it is even talked to a person with SSA about what it is like?  Do you know anyone who attends Courage meetings and has been led into sin by it?  This idea seems to have no basis in reality, just something that some people who do not know anything about it are imagining.
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Catholics and homosexuality - by Benno - 03-07-2013, 07:27 AM
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Re: Catholics and homosexuality - by Tim - 03-07-2013, 08:43 AM
Re: Catholics and homosexuality - by VoxClamantis - 03-07-2013, 09:29 AM
Re: Catholics and homosexuality - by Burdensome1 - 03-07-2013, 11:14 AM
Re: Catholics and homosexuality - by winoblue1 - 03-07-2013, 11:22 AM
Re: Catholics and homosexuality - by Burdensome1 - 03-07-2013, 11:32 AM
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Re: Catholics and homosexuality - by Montgisard - 03-07-2013, 11:48 AM
Re: Catholics and homosexuality - by Papist - 03-07-2013, 11:59 AM
Re: Catholics and homosexuality - by Burdensome1 - 03-07-2013, 12:12 PM
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Re: Catholics and homosexuality - by Burdensome1 - 03-07-2013, 12:18 PM
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Re: Catholics and homosexuality - by Burdensome1 - 03-07-2013, 01:54 PM
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