bp williamson 5 30 column
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Two things in relation to your remaining arguments.

1.  Religious liberty as taught by V2 is a definite error, as the SSPX and many others have shown.  Example: http://sspx.org/en/node/1245
Now we you don't agree on that subject we won't agree on anything that depends upon it.

2.  Traditional Catholics reject the New Mass as an incentive to impiety, to say the very least.  Yet the Council of Trent anathematised as follows: "If any one saith, that the ceremonies, vestments, and outward signs, which the Catholic Church makes use of in the celebration of masses, are incentives to impiety, rather than offices of piety; let him be anathema."  So we have a problem.  The problem is the New Mass.  If the Ottaviani Intervention was disputable when it appeared (it wasn't) then the fruits of the New Mass proved it in spades.  It destroyed the Church.  Again, if you don't accept the traditional Catholic view of the New Mass then we won't agree on anything that follows from that view either.

The SSPX "Superior General's Letter to Friends and Benefactors," #54, (19 March 1998): "'The corruption of the Holy Mass has brought with it the corruption of the priesthood and the universal decadence of faith in the divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ', accompanied by the resolute intention, clearly shown by the Roman authorities, to continue with 'their work of destroying the reign of Our Lord, as proved by Assisi, and by Rome's confirmation of the liberal theses of Vatican II on religious liberty'".
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bp williamson 5 30 column - by a83192 - 05-30-2014, 09:45 PM
Re: bp williamson 5 30 column - by John Lane - 05-31-2014, 02:15 AM
Re: bp williamson 5 30 column - by John Lane - 05-31-2014, 10:54 PM
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Re: bp williamson 5 30 column - by John Lane - 06-03-2014, 09:20 PM
Re: bp williamson 5 30 column - by John Lane - 06-03-2014, 09:21 PM
Re: bp williamson 5 30 column - by John Lane - 06-03-2014, 09:25 PM
Re: bp williamson 5 30 column - by Clare Brigid - 06-03-2014, 09:29 PM
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