baptism question
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(01-27-2019, 09:24 PM)Melkite Wrote:
(01-27-2019, 08:33 PM)MagisterMusicae Wrote: I think you should always take a problem up firstly with the person who created it.

Talk to the minister, and share your concerns. Tell her how you appreciated the words on the importance of the Trinity, but were very concerned that she changed the words of the Baptism from what Jesus taught. You can tell her that Catholics would consider that it is not a Baptism if we don't do what Our Lord instructed. Many Protestant would say the same thing, and you know that the formula that the Church uses is not what she said.

You are worried that there will be serious questions on the child's baptism later, so you want her to explain the error to the parents and re-baptize the child privately. Be gentle, but if she resists tell her that you will have to go to the parents and explain this, because as we know we need Baptism to be saved, and you certain want the child saved.

If the minister balks, then address the parents. Explain that the Catholic teaching as well as the Methodist (to the extent they have a teaching) is that the words of Christ need to be used. The minister did not, and the child needs to be properly baptized. You are concerned. Explain why. If the minister refuses to baptize the child, ask the parents if they want the child baptized, and tell them how to do it properly. One of them pours normal water over the head saying "If you are not baptized, I baptize you in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." 

You can then witness them conditionally baptizing the child, and then three of you will know for the future.

If the parents balk, find some way of retaining some kind of written proof or testimony to give to the child later when the child can understand it. Write something on it like, in the event of my incapacitation or death give this envelope to X. Valid sacraments and marriage in the future depend on being baptized.

I think going right to the parents removes the minister's responsibility and risks others suffering as a result. Confront the source of the problem.

If you're really stuck, send me a PM and I'll be happy to contact the minister if you can get details.

Thank you for the great advice!

In the event that the pastor is not interested, but the parents are and are ok with it, is it licit for me to perform a conditional baptism, or should I recommend they go to an ordained clergyman first?  Or, rather, is it licit for me to perform it without trying to find a clergyman to do it first?

In fact it almost certainly is not conditional, but just in case of doubt it is better to offer conditionally to protect the sacrament.

If the minister is not open and the parents are keen or open , I'd suggest you urge them to do the baptism, and instruct them on i, rather than you doing it.

That avoids the questions on liceity or any suggestion that you did something and they were forced into it or communicatio in sacris, with the various questions around that. It also allows you to act as a witness. If one of the parents did the conditional baptism, then it provides two witnesses, only one of whom is family and therefore there is a third disinterested party shuold there be any questions.
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Messages In This Thread
baptism question - by Melkite - 01-27-2019, 04:56 PM
RE: baptism question - by Melkite - 01-27-2019, 04:59 PM
RE: baptism question - by jovan66102 - 01-27-2019, 05:09 PM
RE: baptism question - by Melkite - 01-27-2019, 05:33 PM
RE: baptism question - by jovan66102 - 01-27-2019, 05:40 PM
RE: baptism question - by Melkite - 01-27-2019, 06:16 PM
RE: baptism question - by FultonFan - 01-27-2019, 06:43 PM
RE: baptism question - by Melkite - 01-27-2019, 07:43 PM
RE: baptism question - by FultonFan - 01-27-2019, 08:07 PM
RE: baptism question - by MagisterMusicae - 01-27-2019, 08:33 PM
RE: baptism question - by Melkite - 01-27-2019, 09:24 PM
RE: baptism question - by MagisterMusicae - 01-27-2019, 10:17 PM
RE: baptism question - by Melkite - 01-27-2019, 10:44 PM
RE: baptism question - by MagisterMusicae - 01-27-2019, 11:02 PM
RE: baptism question - by MagisterMusicae - 01-27-2019, 05:47 PM
RE: baptism question - by jovan66102 - 01-27-2019, 06:02 PM
RE: baptism question - by Melkite - 01-27-2019, 08:16 PM
RE: baptism question - by Dave Parrott - 01-29-2019, 01:40 PM
RE: baptism question - by MagisterMusicae - 01-29-2019, 05:32 PM



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