The Second Vatican Council
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(07-19-2019, 02:38 PM)Ginnyfree2 Wrote:
(07-17-2019, 04:21 PM)Augustinian Wrote: "Even interpreted strictly, this limitation of religious liberty to the “objective moral order” is inadequate because restricted to the natural order of things, thereby omitting consideration of the supernatural order. Such a conception of religious liberty fails to recognize the social kingship of our Lord Jesus Christ, the supernatural rights of His Church, and the supernatural end of man in the common good of the political order. It fails to consider that the false religions, by the mere fact that they keep souls from the Catholic Church, lead souls to hell. In a word, it is naturalism...

The saints have never hesitated to break idols, destroy their temples, or legislate against pagan or heretical practices. The Church—without ever forcing anyone to believe or be baptized—has always recognized its right and duty to protect the faith of her children and to impede, whenever possible, the public exercise and propagation of false cults. To accept the teaching of Vatican II is to grant that, for two millennia, the popes, saints, Fathers and Doctors of the Church, bishops, and Catholic kings have constantly violated the natural rights of men without anyone in the Church noticing. Such a thesis is as absurd as it is impious."

https://sspx.org/en/religious-liberty-co...-tradition

Can you please provide a citation that shows exactly where in the Document itself I can find the phrase you quote from the SSPX regarding the limits on religious liberty allegedly placed upon us by DH to only the "objective moral order."  If you can post that section here, the rest interested can either agree, disagree or provide even stronger proofs of the assertions made by you and the SSPX against Dignitatis Humanae.  God bless.  Ginnyfree.

Well, did you actually look at the SSPX link? They cite it right at the top of the article; Dignitatus Humanae § (section) 2 and then quote it.

Quote:2. This Vatican Council declares that the human person has a right to religious freedom. This freedom means that all men are to be immune from coercion on the part of individuals or of social groups and of any human power, in such wise that no one is to be forced to act in a manner contrary to his own beliefs, whether privately or publicly, whether alone or in association with others, within due limits.

Here's a link to the document on the Vatican website: http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_counc...ae_en.html
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