The Second Vatican Council
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(07-20-2019, 02:17 PM)BC Wrote:
(07-20-2019, 06:25 AM)Ginnyfree2 Wrote: BC  - "There is no other way around it. DH indicts the Catholic Church has having been unjust all of Her previous centuries towards non Catholics in Catholic states."

GF - Please show me where in the Document it states this. 

BC - "John Courtney Murray, the author of the document itself can't even explain how his teaching can be reconciled to previous Catholic teaching, which he expressly admits states the opposite of his own."

BC - "DH doesn't say the Catholic Church has been wrong, it just simply ignored previous teaching on Religious Liberty, like it did with previously condemned Ecumenisim, and proceeded to assert a new position. Anyone familiar with the Traditional teaching recognized it as an implicit renunciation. What do you mean where do I find it, or that it is far fetched? It's a direct quote from the man himself."
Okie dokie.  BC choosing to name drop, has introduced a newer variety of baloney called SPAM into this dialog regarding the document of the Second Vatican Council titled Dignitatis Humanae promulgated by the then reigning Pope, now known as St. Paul Vi, but he has placed too much mustard on the SPAM sandwich. Here are all the names dropped: Fr. De Lubac, Cardinal Père Congar, Jesuit Fr. Peter Henrici, Philippe Levillain, Hans Küng, Beauchesne with no known first name, Philippe Levillain, Jesuit Fr. Peter Henrici, Bishop Aloysius Wycislo, Father T. M. Schoof, Jean Guitton, Cardinal Liènart, Franco Bellegrandi, Robert Laffont, and last but not least, Jean Puyo.  A Baker's Dozen! I might add the only Saint is the Pope, St. Paul VI, not any of the men listed.  Why is that?  Just something you may want to think about BC.
However, I asked you, for your thoughts, not theirs.  None of them make your point for you either.  Please answer my question if you will.  You stated that Dignitatis Humanae indicts the Church herself.  That is not a nice thing to say about my Mother.  I love her.  She is the spotless Bride of the Unblemished Lamb, Holy, One, Catholic and Apostolic, United with God and passing down thru all generations her blessings in the same purity of Doctrines as she received them from her Bridegroom.  
The word you lack the understanding of is emphasis.  Here is a little something about the word - 
emphasis (n.)


1570s, "intensity of expression," from Latin emphasis, from Greek emphasis "an appearing in, outward appearance;" in rhetoric, "significance, indirect meaning," from emphainein "to present, exhibit, display, let (a thing) be seen; be reflected (in a mirror), become visible," from assimilated form of en "in" (see en- (2)) + phainein "to show" (from PIE root *bha- (1) "to shine").

In Greek and Latin, originally a figure of expression implying more than would ordinarily be meant by the words, it developed a sense of "extra stress" given to a word or phrase in speech as a clue that it implies something more than literal meaning. In pure Latin, significatio.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/emphasis
Applying an emphasis on a particular feature found in the treasury of our Magisterium, along with Sacred Scriptures and Tradition, that being the dignity of man given him at his creation in God's own image and relating it to the many ways in which this dignity includes the necessity of religious freedoms and withing limits, helps man peaceful attain to the fullness of that image should he chose to use his freedom to reach towards his Creator.  The dignity of the human person, male and female He created them, for each other and for Himself.  This freedom must be protected by just governments.  That's the message in Dignitatis Humanae.  
You have yet to show me where in the document you find an indictment of the Church.  
I will leave you with what I offered to Augustinian early today:  "Thus the fantasy of absurdity impugning "the popes, saints, Fathers and Doctors of the Church, bishops, and Catholic kings," of the 2 millennia you shake your finger at for violating the natural rights of men without anyone seeing it.  This itself is to impugn the Law of Christ itself as the natural law is upheld by the Law of God which is the depositum fidei we guard faithfully, semper habet, semper erit.  "Detract not one another, my brethren. He that detracteth his brother, or he that judgeth his brother, detracteth the law, and judgeth the law. But if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.  There is one lawgiver, and judge, that is able to destroy and to deliver."  James 4:11-12.   So there ya go.  I hope you can see the points made.  God bless.  Ginnyfree.
PS.  I apologize for going a bit snarky on you.  It is past my bedtime.  Vespers is done, but Penance awaits.  I'm grumpy when I need my sleep.
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The Second Vatican Council - by Ginnyfree2 - 07-16-2019, 11:37 AM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Zedta - 07-16-2019, 11:48 AM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Ginnyfree2 - 07-18-2019, 09:52 AM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Bluestreak - 07-25-2019, 06:17 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Bonaventure - 07-16-2019, 11:50 AM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Ginnyfree2 - 07-16-2019, 02:13 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Bluestreak - 07-25-2019, 12:41 AM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Filiolus - 07-16-2019, 12:13 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by FultonFan - 07-16-2019, 01:35 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Zedta - 07-16-2019, 04:50 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Ginnyfree2 - 07-16-2019, 05:03 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Filiolus - 07-16-2019, 06:36 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Lavenderson - 07-17-2019, 10:17 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by MaryTN - 07-16-2019, 06:34 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Ginnyfree2 - 07-18-2019, 10:02 AM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Ginnyfree2 - 07-18-2019, 10:19 AM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Filiolus - 07-16-2019, 08:22 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Ginnyfree2 - 07-17-2019, 12:58 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by yablabo - 07-16-2019, 10:01 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Filiolus - 07-16-2019, 11:07 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by yablabo - 07-17-2019, 12:31 AM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by yablabo - 07-17-2019, 07:20 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Ginnyfree2 - 07-19-2019, 03:07 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Ginnyfree2 - 07-18-2019, 10:56 AM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Filiolus - 07-18-2019, 11:07 AM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Filiolus - 07-18-2019, 02:41 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Ginnyfree2 - 07-19-2019, 04:56 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Ginnyfree2 - 07-17-2019, 01:04 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Ginnyfree2 - 07-18-2019, 10:47 AM
The Second Vatican Council - by Augustinian - 07-17-2019, 02:13 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Filiolus - 07-17-2019, 04:05 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Ginnyfree2 - 07-19-2019, 02:29 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by BC - 07-18-2019, 05:46 AM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Ginnyfree2 - 07-19-2019, 02:07 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Augustinian - 07-17-2019, 04:21 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Filiolus - 07-17-2019, 04:48 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Filiolus - 07-18-2019, 10:48 AM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Ginnyfree2 - 07-19-2019, 02:38 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Augustinian - 07-19-2019, 10:30 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by jovan66102 - 07-19-2019, 11:16 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Ginnyfree2 - 07-20-2019, 03:26 AM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Ginnyfree2 - 07-21-2019, 09:59 AM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Ginnyfree2 - 07-20-2019, 03:17 AM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by BC - 07-20-2019, 05:54 AM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Ginnyfree2 - 07-20-2019, 06:25 AM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by BC - 07-20-2019, 02:17 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Ginnyfree2 - 07-20-2019, 08:35 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by BC - 07-22-2019, 07:21 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Ginnyfree2 - 07-20-2019, 04:56 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Filiolus - 07-17-2019, 05:12 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Filiolus - 07-18-2019, 12:08 AM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by yablabo - 07-18-2019, 08:09 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Ginnyfree2 - 07-18-2019, 09:41 AM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Filiolus - 07-18-2019, 09:19 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by yablabo - 07-18-2019, 10:07 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Filiolus - 07-18-2019, 10:18 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by yablabo - 07-18-2019, 10:35 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Ginnyfree2 - 07-21-2019, 09:49 AM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by yablabo - 07-21-2019, 01:58 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by BC - 07-20-2019, 02:31 PM
The Second Vatican Council - by dalriadan39 - 07-20-2019, 06:21 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Filiolus - 07-21-2019, 09:45 AM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Filiolus - 07-21-2019, 04:12 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by yablabo - 07-21-2019, 04:29 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Filiolus - 07-22-2019, 09:12 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by BC - 07-22-2019, 07:27 PM
The Second Vatican Council - by Augustinian - 07-21-2019, 02:50 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Blind Horus - 07-21-2019, 03:58 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Filiolus - 07-21-2019, 04:35 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by yablabo - 07-21-2019, 08:29 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by cassini - 07-25-2019, 08:59 AM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by jovan66102 - 07-25-2019, 03:19 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by BC - 07-25-2019, 05:15 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Lavenderson - 07-25-2019, 06:48 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Filiolus - 07-25-2019, 04:11 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by jovan66102 - 07-25-2019, 05:07 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Filiolus - 07-25-2019, 10:04 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Some Guy - 07-25-2019, 10:47 PM
RE: The Second Vatican Council - by Filiolus - 07-25-2019, 11:46 PM
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