Authority of Vatican 2
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(11-11-2019, 02:09 AM)newenglandsun Wrote: I never denied papal infallibility either. I said papal infallibility is derived from the infallibility of the Church. Re-read my first comment on this point. Such also brings the doctrine in alignment with the views of the first millennium.

I'm going to interject on this. 

The definition of papal infallibility or the ex cathedra charism is not derived from the infallibility of the Church.

It is a divinely revealed dogma.

To say that from one is derived the other implies a logical progression within the reach of human reason.  That's not the case.  The solemn judgment is quite clear that when the Pope teaches ex cathedra, the Pope possesses the infallibility which the Divine Redeemer willed his Church to enjoy in defining doctrine concerning faith and morals.  That's it.

That IS the infallibility of the Church in defining doctrine concerning faith and morals.  It sits in the chair of Peter.  It's possessed by the Pope.  Once more stated, THAT'S IT.  There is no other.

The First Vatican Council is available in English and extremely short...definitely worth the read.
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Authority of Vatican 2 - by Tolkien1096 - 11-10-2019, 03:00 PM
RE: Authority of Vatican 2 - by MagisterMusicae - 11-10-2019, 03:33 PM
RE: Authority of Vatican 2 - by Tolkien1096 - 11-10-2019, 04:14 PM
RE: Authority of Vatican 2 - by VoxClamantis - 11-10-2019, 04:18 PM
RE: Authority of Vatican 2 - by newenglandsun - 11-10-2019, 06:01 PM
RE: Authority of Vatican 2 - by jovan66102 - 11-10-2019, 06:22 PM
RE: Authority of Vatican 2 - by newenglandsun - 11-10-2019, 07:24 PM
RE: Authority of Vatican 2 - by jovan66102 - 11-10-2019, 07:59 PM
RE: Authority of Vatican 2 - by MagisterMusicae - 11-10-2019, 07:25 PM
RE: Authority of Vatican 2 - by yablabo - 11-10-2019, 08:12 PM
RE: Authority of Vatican 2 - by MagisterMusicae - 11-10-2019, 08:28 PM
RE: Authority of Vatican 2 - by newenglandsun - 11-10-2019, 09:46 PM
RE: Authority of Vatican 2 - by yablabo - 11-10-2019, 10:46 PM
RE: Authority of Vatican 2 - by jovan66102 - 11-10-2019, 11:02 PM
RE: Authority of Vatican 2 - by newenglandsun - 11-11-2019, 12:52 AM
RE: Authority of Vatican 2 - by yablabo - 11-11-2019, 01:09 AM
RE: Authority of Vatican 2 - by newenglandsun - 11-11-2019, 01:27 AM
RE: Authority of Vatican 2 - by jovan66102 - 11-11-2019, 01:37 AM
RE: Authority of Vatican 2 - by jovan66102 - 11-11-2019, 01:16 AM
RE: Authority of Vatican 2 - by newenglandsun - 11-11-2019, 01:24 AM
RE: Authority of Vatican 2 - by MagisterMusicae - 11-11-2019, 12:04 AM
RE: Authority of Vatican 2 - by newenglandsun - 11-11-2019, 12:57 AM
RE: Authority of Vatican 2 - by yablabo - 11-11-2019, 01:04 AM
RE: Authority of Vatican 2 - by MagisterMusicae - 11-11-2019, 01:37 AM
RE: Authority of Vatican 2 - by newenglandsun - 11-11-2019, 02:09 AM
RE: Authority of Vatican 2 - by MagisterMusicae - 11-11-2019, 02:33 AM
RE: Authority of Vatican 2 - by newenglandsun - 11-11-2019, 03:25 AM
RE: Authority of Vatican 2 - by MagisterMusicae - 11-11-2019, 04:44 AM
RE: Authority of Vatican 2 - by newenglandsun - 11-11-2019, 03:26 AM
RE: Authority of Vatican 2 - by jovan66102 - 11-11-2019, 04:49 AM
RE: Authority of Vatican 2 - by yablabo - 11-11-2019, 03:50 AM



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