Orthodox friend agrees to attend Greek Catholic Divine Liturgy!
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(01-09-2020, 04:59 PM)Melkite Wrote:
(01-09-2020, 02:37 PM)formerbuddhist Wrote: I would of course vehemently disagree that one can remain Orthodox but be in communion with Rome. Denzigers is clear on things like the rejection of the Essence/Energies distinction,  Absolute Divine Simplicity and Purgatory and no Orthodox can accept those things. 

Catholicism has a VERY different conception of who God is on a fundamental level than Orthodox based on what I mentioned above, not to mention we do not accept many of the Councils (Trent,Florence etc.) that basically dogmatize certain things in a Roman scholastic sense as being Ecumenical.


Where I will agree is on the Rosary. It's not a bad devotion but there's no reason to foist it on Easterners. Mixing rites and practices are spiritually perilous as I found out in my own life. 

I know you'll disagree with me on some of this Melkite but as an Orthodox I have to say it.

I know.  I initially didn't write "at least as far as their spiritual life is concerned" part, but as I was, I thought of some of the same doctrinal issues you mention.  You're right.  Doctrinally, it is not possible for someone who is Orthodox to believe everything that is binding on Catholics.  Some of those differences are logically irreconcilable.  Personally, I get by this by realizing that most of these issues are complex theological issues that even theologians can't truly grasp, but are beyond intelligibility for the average person.  The filioque is a great example.  Whether the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son or the Father alone is interesting academically, but none of us can really grasp what either one truly means.  So whichever one is ultimately true really doesn't have any bearing on how I relate to God or attempt to grow in holiness.  An Eastern spiritual and liturgical life, on the other hand, can be fully lived out within the Catholic Church.  This is ultimately all I intended to say.

Unless, of course, the doctrinal differences create more than a superficial difference in the way one lives a Byzantine spiritual life.  In that case, I imagine it is just as impossible to discern whatever difference exists between a Greek Catholic and a Greek Orthodox spiritual life as it is to discern if you see what I see as blue, when you look at something orange.
I'm simply emphasizing that it's not really just a matter of being Orthodox in communion with Rome, it's more like being Roman Catholic while living that out through an Eastern Praxis since anyone in communion with Rome needs to actually believe in doctrines and dogmas of Christianity as defined by Rome in books like Denzingers.

I just think anyone who decides to go either East or West should take the theology questions as seriously as possible.  I suppose I also recognize that most people do not for various reasons. 

I would say that while a lot of the theology stuff is difficult, it's very important to try to understand.  The questions surrounding Absolute Divine Simplicity as the RC teaches it and the Orthodox view of Essence/ Energies are irreconcilable, and they are at the heart of almost all other theology questions, from Christology to Triadology.

I don't know, maybe I'm just eccentric about it.  I just think people on the fence need to know it's not just aesthetics,(I'm not implying you are saying that)   there's very real dogma/ doctrinal issues at stake.
Walk before God in simplicity, and not in subtleties of the mind. Simplicity brings faith; but subtle and intricate speculations bring conceit; and conceit brings withdrawal from God. -Saint Isaac of Syria, Directions on Spiritual Training


"It is impossible in human terms to exaggerate the importance of being in a church or chapel before the Blessed Sacrament as often and for as long as our duties and state of life allow. I very seldom repeat what I say. Let me repeat this sentence. It is impossible in human language to exaggerate the importance of being in a chapel or church before the Blessed Sacrament as often and for as long as our duties and state of life allow. That sentence is the talisman of the highest sanctity. "Father John Hardon
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RE: Orthodox friend agrees to attend Greek Catholic Divine Liturgy! - by formerbuddhist - 01-10-2020, 08:15 PM



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