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(01-15-2020, 03:01 PM)Sacred Heart lover Wrote: Good talk that goes into the questions raised here:

[Fr Ripperger video] 

Fr Ripperger, as usual, goes beyond what traditional moral theologians since St Alphonsus have held as the more probable opinion. 

Those theologians like Jones, Prummer, Davis, etc. will generally say that non-vaginal intercourse type sexual contact without serious risk of a complete act outside of the vagina is not a grave sin in itself. It could be considered a kind of preparatory touch, or might be used on the woman if she did not achieve complete satisfaction. It is dangerous, and usually disordered, so sinful in most cases, but not universally.

Fr Ripperger, on the other hand, says it is always and everywhere a mortal sin. He's welcome to that harsher opinion, but it would be wrong to bind people to his rigorism when good moral theologians who are far more Thomistic in their approach than he do not hold this view.

This is exactly why it is a really bad idea to air delicate moral theology questions in a public forum. No priest has any business trying to teach faithful his own opinions when he has no mission to care for those souls. Fr Ripperger has no mission to care for those who listen to his sermons and videos, meaning that he has no grace of state towards these people, yet many take his word as an authority instead of the priest who has the grace of state to care for them. That's a serious problem.

I know we've had priests on here in the past who did not identify themselves as such specifically for this reason. I knew them only from my days before leaving seminary. The last thing they wanted was to be quoted as an authority by those who were not their faithful.

Fr R might be right. He disagrees with most traditional theologians of the past few centuries, but we're in expert opinion territory here, so there's room for disagreement among experts. While his talk, IMHO, should not be out there, if it is then it is important to know his opinion is a fringe one, and in no way binds one's conscience.

It is perfectly acceptable for one to take his rigorist position or the more lax common teaching, but only for oneself. We should not be trying to bind others' consciences when the Church does not take a definitive stance and experts disagree.
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Sex questions - by Porkncheese - 01-15-2020, 06:18 AM
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