Impurity within Marriage
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(03-03-2021, 11:43 AM)Adventus Wrote: God's permissive will isn't that they just hang around......but rather, that they are free to influence.

I wasn't speaking of a physical location, of course, but obsession.

God's permissive will limits the devils to certain actions. They are not "free to influence" but only permitted to the point allowed by God (and which therefore His grace and the strength of the soul attacked have the capacity to resist, provided they cooperate with that grace)

(03-03-2021, 11:43 AM)Adventus Wrote: Fr. Ripperger also clearly makes distinctions between a person struggling with something, for other psychological reasons, and generational spirits.

Yes he does. The struggles are well supported by Ascetic authors. "Generational spirits" are found no where in said authors.

(03-03-2021, 11:43 AM)Adventus Wrote: In addition, he speaks of it skipping generations as well.

And?

(03-03-2021, 11:43 AM)Adventus Wrote: Lastly, isn't the exorcism at baptism to protect and cast out?  

Cast out what?

That certainly leaves room for the possibility that Fr. R speaks of.

Not really, since it just prompts the same question. Lay people praying "deliverance prayers" then are more effective than the power of Orders through Exorcism. Baptismal exorcisms do not then actually cast out whatever "spirit" was there, and we need to later, rely on "deliverance prayers".

(03-03-2021, 11:43 AM)Adventus Wrote: I think what you did in trying to approach him was a good thing, but there are more variables to this to be so dismissive about it. It doesn't have to make what we have available to us relatively impotent. Especially when bringing sin and God's permissive will into the equation. There doesn't need to be a contradiction.

Hopefully Fr. Ripperger can come out with a detailed response on this.

I really wish he would put out a solid theological treatise on the claim of "generation spirits". I have found this idea nowhere but in Protestant circles and then a post-Vatican II fascination in third-world countries often infested with superstitious practices. For instance a priest I know well who was assigned to work in the Philippines said many people there ask about "generation healing" and "generation spirits" convinced that all of their failings are due not to their own faults and malice, but to demons attacking them.

If it could be well established and discovered in traditional Catholic theology, I would be very interested to read this, and would be willing to, if it makes sense, to stand corrected. Until then, I remain highly skeptical

When one reads, for instance in Tanqueray, "we must follow the rule of accepting as diabolical only such phenomena as point, because of their extraordinary nature or because of the sum-total of circumstances, to the action of the Evil One," who had just finished pointing out the error on the extreme of attributing all evil to the devil, forgetting that Original Sin and morbid states explains much, and zero mention of "generational spirits" it worries me.
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Impurity within Marriage - by SacraCor714 - 02-27-2021, 03:42 PM
RE: Impurity within Marriage - by MagisterMusicae - 02-27-2021, 10:55 PM
RE: Impurity within Marriage - by Bonaventure - 02-28-2021, 07:58 PM
RE: Impurity within Marriage - by Adventus - 03-02-2021, 11:55 AM
RE: Impurity within Marriage - by MagisterMusicae - 03-02-2021, 05:51 PM
RE: Impurity within Marriage - by FultonFan - 02-28-2021, 09:08 AM
RE: Impurity within Marriage - by XavierSem - 02-28-2021, 12:34 PM
RE: Impurity within Marriage - by newenglandsun - 02-28-2021, 08:44 PM
RE: Impurity within Marriage - by Matas - 03-01-2021, 03:54 PM
RE: Impurity within Marriage - by Evangelium - 03-01-2021, 03:59 PM
RE: Impurity within Marriage - by capmchuck - 03-02-2021, 10:59 AM
RE: Impurity within Marriage - by MagisterMusicae - 03-02-2021, 06:01 PM
RE: Impurity within Marriage - by IudicaMe - 03-12-2021, 12:37 PM
RE: Impurity within Marriage - by FultonFan - 03-02-2021, 07:18 PM
RE: Impurity within Marriage - by jovan66102 - 03-02-2021, 09:20 PM
RE: Impurity within Marriage - by MagisterMusicae - 03-03-2021, 01:03 AM
RE: Impurity within Marriage - by Adventus - 03-03-2021, 11:43 AM
RE: Impurity within Marriage - by MagisterMusicae - 03-03-2021, 05:49 PM
RE: Impurity within Marriage - by JacafamalaRedux - 03-02-2021, 10:39 PM
RE: Impurity within Marriage - by MagisterMusicae - 03-03-2021, 12:56 AM
RE: Impurity within Marriage - by XavierSem - 03-04-2021, 02:34 AM
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