Does Anyone Have and ESV-CE?
(07-22-2021, 09:46 PM)Paul Wrote: Why it would it mean that? It's missing books, and there may be different translations.

Not to be cheeky, but so what? If I have a Douay-Rheims New Testament and Psalms, is that a bad Bible because it is missing some of the books? If one is fine, what is the big deal with the other, provided I accept the canonicity of all the books of Scripture and have translations of those books?

Quote:The article you linked also indicates some problems with it, even if the ESV-CE has been approved by the Church. I'd avoid any Bible that greets our Lady as 'highly favoured' instead of 'full of grace'. 1 Timothy 3, 1 is also problematic: there's no such office in the Church as 'overseer'; there is one of bishop. 3, 15 is likewise wrong, calling the Church 'a pillar and buttress of the truth' instead of 'the', which denies that Jesus founded a Church, and the Bible came later.

So, these three verses and the whole thing is evil?

First, I understand why people cringe at the highly favoured translation, but this can't be a deal breaker. Plenty of approved Catholic translations have the imprimatur and possess this translation. So, if I have to avoid a biblical translation which possesses an imprimatur because of this one verse, why should I worry about an imprimatur at all?

Second, episkopos is Greek, and translated literally it means over seer. I also think it would be better to translate this term as bishop, and presbyteros as priest, but that is because they are directly taken into our language from Greek (Bishop from biscop, from episcopus, from episkopos, and priest from prester (or pretre in French) and presbyterus in Latin and presbyteros in the Greek) so it would make more sense to just render it literally. 

Third, there isn't an article in the Greek. Literally it reads, "Church of the living God, pillar and ground of the truth." An article is typically supplied in translation. Most translators have opted for "the". Also, St. Irenaeus of Lyons says this 

Quote:We have learned from none others the plan of our salvation, than from those through whom the Gospel has come down to us, which they did at one time proclaim in public, and, at a later period, by the will of God, handed down to us in the Scriptures, to be the ground and pillar of our faith.

St. Irenaeus seems to think that there can be multiple pillars and grounds for out faith. Is he wrong? Also, St. Irenaeus is completely against sola scriptura.

All this to say, I am failing to see the reasoning here aside from a knee-jerk reaction (this translation originated from Protestants, therefore it must be full of evil.)
"Especially will I do this if the Lord make known to me that you come together man by man in common through grace, individually, in one faith, and in Jesus Christ... so that you obey the bishop and the presbytery with an undivided mind, breaking one and the same bread, which is the medicine of immortality, and the antidote to prevent us from dying, but which causes that we should live for ever in Jesus Christ." St. Ignatius of Antioch

"But Polycarp... waving his hand towards them, while with groans he look up to heaven, said, 'Away with the Atheists.'" Martyrdom of Polycarp

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Does Anyone Have and ESV-CE? - by Justin Tertius - 07-06-2021, 06:17 PM
RE: Does Anyone Have and ESV-CE? - by DixieLawyer - 07-22-2021, 01:09 PM
RE: Does Anyone Have and ESV-CE? - by Paul - 07-22-2021, 09:46 PM
RE: Does Anyone Have and ESV-CE? - by Justin Tertius - 07-22-2021, 10:23 PM
RE: Does Anyone Have and ESV-CE? - by Paul - 07-24-2021, 09:43 PM

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