Head of CDF calls SSPX stupid & claims God's the greatest lib.COMPLETE interview
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Bishop Muller in Peru
Head of CDF calls SSPX challenge "Stupidity" and claims God is the greatest liberal

• Müller on SSPX challenge: "I must not give an answer to every stupidity"
• Müller on SSPX "reconciliation": "...This includes the acceptance of the form and content of the Second Vatican Council, and the previous and subsequent statements and decisions of the Magisterium. There is no other way."
• Müller on the New Mass: "The liturgical reform of Vatican II was factually correct and necessary. One cannot issue polemic against it just because there are abuses."

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This is a long interview with the Mittelbayerische Zeitung- now complete. Thanks to Catholic Church Conservation for posting it.

Relaxed and at ease, Archbishop Gerhard Ludwig Müller returns a week after his appointment as prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith to the Diocese of Regensburg. A series of interviews for journalists are on the agenda for Friday: liberation theology, the SSPX and the situation of divorced and remarried. Minefields for an ecclesiastic, who has moved to third place in the Vatican's ecclesiastical pecking order.

Archbishop Mueller, first of all, congratulations on the new job. Since when did you know about your appointment?

I definitely knew it on 16 May, when the Holy Father has summoned me to his presence.

Did your commitment to the liberation theology endangers your appointment?

I do not know. If you know the Catholic faith, we know that to her essentially belong the social obligation, the responsibility for the world, the love of the poor. Liberation theology is a big word - but every Christian theology has something to do with the freedom of man. Also in South America in this context, it is about theological questions: Given the misery and indignity that many people around us can not imagine, given this glaring injustice, we can not simply go away with a pious raising of eyebrows about it. Faith and doing good go together. These are the two sides of a coin.

Are you then in agreement with the Pope?

Total agreement . Not even when he was my predecessor's predecessor in the CDF did he put liberation theology in its entirety in question, but some aspects which I fully underline. Liberation theology is not a loose mix of communism and the Catholic faith. Theology, if it is to be Catholic, you must find out an answer from his own sources. The social teaching of the Catholic Church has proven to be far superior to the Marxist analysis. We do not want a society that is divided into rich and poor, and in which one has access to education, and not the other. Workers and employers must not act against each other as pure interest groups, but they must all be committed to the common good. Even against the rampant commercialization of all aspects of life we must be critical: the economy is there for people, not vice versa.

You have been declared, in respect of such words, to be among the liberals. Did that surprise you?

Oh well. Saint Thomas Aquinas says, "Deus maxime liberalis est - God is the Greatest Liberal". [Cathcon- normally translated as “God therefore is in the highest degree liberal” to ensure that there is no conflation of the ideas of liberality with the practice of liberalism in any sense]. In the original sense is liberalis is liberally and generously. " In this sense, I love being a liberal.

[Cathcon- one waits for years for the Head of the CDF to quote St Thomas and he is now used in such a poor way]

You have always been very critical of the SSPX. Now, you are responsible as Prefect for the return of the fallen-away Society into the bosom of the Church. How difficult is it?

The negotiations of the Vatican with the SSPX brothers are friendly, Christian and humane, but clearly in formation. Who wants to become Catholic again must recognise the authority of the Pope and the bishops [Cathcon- the SSPX certainly think they both are Catholic and recognise the authority of the Pope. Big misunderstanding from Mueller which is at variance with various Vatican statements of recent years]. No one should think that they can impose his own ideas of the Catholic Church. The talks in Rome are not negotiations between two parties. No religious fraternity may impose conditions of the church.

The negotiations between the SSPX with the Vatican have been going on since January 2009. How much more time is needed?

Eventually, the "point of no return" is coming and they must decide: Do they wish for the unity of the Church? This includes the acceptance of the form and content of the Second Vatican Council, and the previous and subsequent statements and decisions of the Magisterium. There is no other way. (Cathcon- he seems to be deliberately tearing up bridges that have already been built).

The main criticism of the SSPX is the Second Vatican Council's- the permission for Masses in the local language instead of Latin. Is there any leeway?

What can be granted, is that which actually belongs to the diversity of the Catholic faith and life. The liturgical reform of Vatican II was factually correct and necessary. One cannot issue polemic against it just because there are abuses.

The SSPX have just designated you again as a heretic, that is, as one who has fallen from the faith.

I must not give an answer to every stupidity. [Cathcon- imagine what the response had been if the SSPX had issued a press release calling the Archbishop dumb. Mutual respect is needed for dialogue, as the Vatican is only too quick to point out in other ecumenical dialogues].

In Germany, discussed the admission of remarried divorcees to Communion is discussed. What do you think?

The same as the Pope. The lesson is clear: A valid marriage between Christians is indissoluble, and includes the promise of lifelong fidelity. We also need to see the injuries to children of divorced parents. They are deeply shocked when suddenly a parent is away and a strange man or a strange woman sits in the apartment. We therefore need to scrutinize a mentality that sees the promise of marriage and family formation too loosely.

Are there no concessions?

We also recognize the difficult situation of the spouses in a mixture of guilt, which is not always equally distributed. The parish priest can see in the assessment of the individual situation of reasons how to respond. But the judgement would be wrong: If I cannot go to Communion, I am nothing in the Church. But this is not the whole Catholic faith. The central part of the Mass is the Eucharistic Prayer and the saving mystery of Jesus Christ. We are committed to the celebration of the Mass, but not every time to go to Communion, although the Frequent Communion is desirable and useful.

You strengthen the German faction in Rome. What does this mean for the national mix?

In the CDF, about 15 nations work together. We are the world church, so its a colourful little nation with many languages. The languages do not separate us after Pentecost not but lead us together in the spirit of God. I'm still grateful that God has so ordained it that I grew up into the German language and culture. But of course, this is not to be seen as naive patriotism - or as a rivalry in the sense of who is now better.

After your departure a successor is sought as Regensburg Bishop. Passau is also vacant. Will you play an open role or behind the scenes?

Episcopal appointments are an important matter. There is not a power struggle behind the scenes, in the way that it is often portrayed. When it comes to people, a discreet process is needed. This has nothing to do with secrecy. What qualities does a bishop of Regensburg need? For the Bishops must someone be found to be suitable or be considered fit. Although there can never be the ideal candidate, because we people always go through life as a mixture of ideal and empirical reality. But of course he must be clearly based in Catholic faith and belief and also able to proclaim this. He must have or acquire leadership skills. As a personality he must be able to give little something without getting a cold in every breeze. The bishops office also means conflict. The understandable human desire to be recognized by all as the nice uncle is not the best basis for a good appointment.

Do you expect a very long transition period in Regensburg?

I hope that it will be decided this year. In August and September are initially holidays, but after that the full procedure goes into action. Are there suitable candidates? They is no lack. One must also pay attention to the 2014 Catholic Congress in Regensburg . There is speculation over the Bishop of Eichstätt, Gregor Maria Hanke, the Augsburg Bishop Anton Losinger, the founding director of the Pope Benedict Institute, Rudolf Voderholzer and the Director of the Shrine of Maria Vesperbild, William Imkamp.

Who is favorite?

I would rather say nothing about names. I am also not the person appointing the new bishop. That happens via the Nuncio in Germany. But of course they will ask me. It is important that continuity is maintained. There are objective guidelines, which were started by my predecessor, Bishop Manfred Müller - whether in the field of schools, the cathedral choir, in the many charitable organizations, or in our activities for the disabled. That cannot be wound back in any way.

In the interim, Provost Wilhelm Gegenfurtner is undertaking "the role of the bishop during transition" . Were you surprised by his election by the chapter?

I think we were all surprised.

Finally, personal questions: How did it happen that the pope gave you his old cardinal's apartment in Rome?

I think there that all were amazed. But the Pope has given it spontaneously, entrusting me the appartment - even the books that are still there, and some other things. These will be made available in accordance with his wishes to our "Benedict Institute" in Regensburg, which is responsible for publishing the works of Joseph Ratzinger.

Can he visit you in his old apartment?

I will ask about that .

Do you remain despite your move to Rome, a Regensburger?

I am Bishop Emeritus of Regensburg. In this respect, this is my home Diocese. When I come to Germany, it's my first stop.

You're a big football fan and have been sighted many times at the games of the SSV Jahn in Regensburg .

Are you looking for a new club in Italy – how about the Lazio?

I am a member of the Curia, but not Bishop of Rome, so I do not have to support the Italian teams.

When I visit home, I remain faithful to the SSV Jahn.

You have been Archbishop for week. When will you become a Cardinal?

Only the Holy Father knows that.

End of interview
emphasis added by CFN
He is very cocky, i just hope he is as hardline toward the left as he seems to be with the SSPX
(07-12-2012, 12:01 PM)salus Wrote: He is very cocky, i just hope he is as hardline toward the left as he seems to be with the SSPX

Pride goeth before the fall. I won't be surprised if something gets dug up against this bishop.
This thread title is, at best, disingenuous. Muller is not calling the SSPX stupid. When he was told by the interviewer..."The SSPX have just designated you as a heretic, that is, one who has fallen from the faith," the bishop responded..."I must not give answer to every stupidity." I don't blame him at all for giving this answer. In fact, if the SSPX has designated me as a heretic, my answer to this would have been FAR less charitable, believe me. The Bishop is calling what the SSPX said about him a "stupidity." He's not calling the SSPX "stupid."  Sheesh. Even a child could see that this is the case. God help the nutty SSPX fanatics. They cannot see reality.
The reality is that you don't say things that could be interpreted as saying the other side is stupid while in the midst of diplomatic negotiations.

Unless, of course, you're stupid.

Or malicious.

Choose the one you like for the good bishop.
I think it's worth going back and looking at the original SSPX press release.  IIRC, no accusation of heresy was made.  Instead, points were quoted which seem irreconcilable with Catholic doctrine, and clarification was corrected.  That is the way one behaves when one is trying to be diplomatic, but to fulfill one's duty to protect the Faith as well.

I still don't think that, under the circumstances, it's unreasonable for ordinary Catholics to judge, as a matter of fact, that Abp. Muller is a heretic, and that it is dangerous to listen to him.  If I were going to judge him, and impose a penalty on him, that would be different, but as the matter stands, I think the evidence is sufficient.

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