Contradictions of the modern popes
Quote: With joy we extend our fraternal greeting as we welcome you to our home. In your person we salute a Church which sees in the faith and devotion of the apostolic community of Antioch the roots and foundation of its own Christian witness. We are particularly happy to welcome an exalted visitor from Damascus, where, in receiving the holy waters of baptism, the Apostle of the Nations, whose name we bear, began that life of total commitment to the Lord Jesus Christ which was to lead him to this city of Rome and the supreme sacrifice of his life out of love for that Lord.

Nine years ago, Your Holiness accepted the invitation of our predecessor of venerated memory, John XXIII, to be represented at the Second Vatican Council by a delegated observer. Since that time the exchange of letters between us and the visit of qualified members of our Church to Your Holiness have helped strengthen the relations between our Churches. Now we have the joy of meeting in person so that we may share the thoughts and desires which animate us as we strive to fulfil God's wish for His Church and for the world redeemed by the precious Blood of His Son.

The history of the relations between our Churches shows many lights and shadows. We recognize that difficulties which have been created over centuries are not always easily overcome. Each of us is motivated by a sincere desire to be faithful to our Fathers in the faith and to the tradition they have handed down to us. Yet this very desire to be faithful to them impels us to search with ever greater zeal for the realization of full communion with each other.

We share a common sacramental life and a common Apostolic tradition, particularly as affirmed in what is popularly called the Nicene Creed. The dogmatic definitions of the first three Ecumenical Councils form part of our common heritage. Thus we confess together the mystery of the Word of God, become one of us to save us and to permit us to become in Him sons of God and brothers of each other.

It is in total submission to this Lord and Saviour, God the Son Incarnate, that we will be able to find the way towards that reconciliation which will bring us to perfect communion. The Syrian Orthodox Church in union with her sister Oriental Orthodox Churches, meeting in Addis Ababa in 1965, has already determined to press forward for a dialogue which will help overcome the misunderstandings of the past. Already theologians are working with renewed effort to throw new light on the mystery of the one Lord Jesus Christ. If they recognize that there are still differences in the theological interpretation of this mystery of Christ because of different ecclesiastical and theological traditions, they are convinced, however, that these various formulations can be understood along the lines of the faith of the early councils, which is the faith we also profess (cf. Pope Pius XII, in Encyclical Sempiternus Rex, A.A.S. 1951, pp. 636-637).

We, as pastors, can encourage the common efforts being made for a deeper and more comprehensive understanding of this mystery which, far from raising doubts about our two different ecclesiastical traditions, can reinforce them and show the basic harmony which exists between them. 

The task is the more urgent because of the demands which are being made upon the Churches today. In a world which is struggling to give birth to new ideas, to new developments which can enable all men to share in the gifts of God's creation, to new relationships between men and nations which will ensure peace with justice, we are called to proclaim the "one Lord, one faith, one baptism and one God who is Father of all, over all, through all and within all" (Ephesians 4:5-6). 
RELATIONS WITH THE CHURCHES OF THE EAST...ADDRESS OF POPE PAUL VI

Quote: As they conclude their solemn meeting which marks a new step in the relations between the Roman Catholic Church and the Syrian Orthodox Church, His Holiness Pope Paul VI and His Holiness Mar Ignatius Jacob III humbly render thanks to Almighty God, for having made possible this historic opportunity to pray together, to engage in a fraternal exchange of views concerning the needs of the Church of God and to witness to their common desire that all Christians may intensify their service to the world with humility and complete dedication.

The Pope and the Patriarch have recognized the deep spiritual communion, which already exists between their Churches. The celebration of the sacraments of the Lord, the common profession of faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, the Word of God made man for man's salvation, the apostolic traditions which form part of the common heritage of both Churches, the great Fathers and Doctors, including Saint Cyril of Alexandria, who are their common masters in the faith all these testify to the action of the Holy Spirit who has continued to work in their Churches even when there have been human weakness and failings. The period of mutual recrimination and condemnation has given place to a willingness to meet together in sincere efforts to lighten and eventually remove the burden of history which still weighs heavily upon Christians.

Progress has already been made and Pope Paul VI and the Patriarch Mar Ignatius Jacob III are in agreement that there is no difference in the faith they profess concerning the mystery of the Word of God made flesh and become really man, even if over the centuries difficulties have arisen out of the different theological expressions by which this faith was expressed. They therefore encourage the clergy and faithful of their Churches to even greater endeavours at removing the obstacles which still prevent complete communion among them. This should be done with love, with openness to the promptings of the Holy Spirit, and with mutual respect for each other and each other's Church. They particularly exhort the scholars of their Churches, and of all Christian communities, to penetrate more deeply into the mystery of Christ with humility and fidelity to the Apostolic traditions so that the fruits of their reflections may help the Church in her service to the world which the Incarnate Son of God has redeemed. 
COMMON DECLARATION BY POPE PAUL VI
AND HIS HOLINESS MAR IGNATIUS IACOB III
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That copy and paste function can be downright dangerous in the wrong hands.  Skeery.  :afraidsmiley:
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(08-15-2012, 02:22 PM)TrentCath Wrote: Anyways I've finished finding enough contradictions, so now, as I said I would do, I'll separate them out.

It is not clear to me how you are doing what you said you would do.  It looks like more "contradictions".
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As others have asked, I have begun to separate the contradictions out:

The quotes relevant to ecumenicism with non catholic 'christians' can be found here:

http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/inde...sg33781524
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The second part can be seen here:

http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/inde...888.0.html
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(08-15-2012, 07:15 PM)TrentCath Wrote: The second part can be seen here:

http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/inde...888.0.html

Give a man a hyperlink and he links for a day.  Give a man the ability to paste a hyperlink on a forum and he links for a lifetime.  So exciting. 
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So by all means Script, Jayne and others show us how actually the popes taught the same thing on ecumenicism and there is no contradiction whatsoever  :P
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And of course you can show why all the apparently self evident theological errors they've made, were not errors at all!
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(08-15-2012, 09:32 PM)TrentCath Wrote: And of course you can show why all the apparently self evident theological errors they've made, were not errors at all!

Of course they were errors.  Any nitwit can see that.  Meaning the Church has defected.  Meaning only a nitwit would remain Catholic.  Q.E.D.
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I'm not defending any of the post-VII popes here, but I think one should remember that this trad method of stacking short, isolated quotations against one another has its limits. Many on this forum simply assume that the most "hardline" statements made by a pope or theologian on any given matter must be taken as definitive and more moderate statements made by the same pope or theologian must be ignored, which seems problematic to me. For example, one can go back to the Fathers and find many positive statements about pagan culture mixed in with the more negative ones. Of course, I suppose most here would simply say that the Fathers were nothing more than superstitious fools unfortunate enough to be born before the glorious birth of real Catholicism in the post-Tridentine era, but there you go.
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