How do you react to the celebrations of Vatican II?
#21
Before it came I was cringing inside, expect the same shallow, self-congratulatory discussion of it I've heard in the past.

Instead, I hear the Holy Father dissecting pieces of it and making sense of it in a way that helps my faith and is probably doing a lot of good for any Catholic who is paying attention.

It's made me hope that the restoration of a strong, healthy Church may yet happen in my lifetime.

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#22
[quote='Gerard' pid='1095867' dateline='1351043280']
I've noticed a number of parishes are "celebrating" Vatican II. 

How will you or would you react to that if it were at your local parish and what would you say if you were brought into a conversation by a priest or clergy who didn't know you were a traditionalist? 
[/quoteI would bring up the statistics of great decline in the Faith since VII and I would bring up "Dignitatas Humanae" as to how it was a departure from previous Church teaching.
Maybe, SC, but I do not have any more authority and wisdom than this.
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#23
(10-24-2012, 05:36 AM)Poche Wrote: Christ the King was not uncrowned.

If you believe that, I suggest you read 'They have Uncrowned Him : from Liberalism to Apostasy, the Conciliar Tragedy', by His Grace Abp Lefebvre (available from the Angelus Press) and the pamphlet, 'The Reign of Christ the King', by Michael Davies (available from TAN Books for U$S2.00).
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#24
L celebrate by going to an EF Mass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#25
(10-24-2012, 06:09 PM)trident59 Wrote: L celebrate by going to an EF Mass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sounds good to me
:) :) :)
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#26
Does anyone know what Council or Councils besides Vatican II proved to be the least beneficial to the Church? 

I remember Charles Coulombe saying that Vatican II would die a slow death and eventually just be forgotten and historians would pass over it as "Vatican II: dealt with pastoral issues" and then go onto more interesting Councils to study like Florence or Trent. 

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#27
(10-25-2012, 02:33 PM)Gerard Wrote: Does anyone know what Council or Councils besides Vatican II proved to be the least beneficial to the Church? 

I remember Charles Coulombe saying that Vatican II would die a slow death and eventually just be forgotten and historians would pass over it as "Vatican II: dealt with pastoral issues" and then go onto more interesting Councils to study like Florence or Trent. 

The Council of Florence was a failure in the regard that the schismatic Greeks wouldn't accept a reunion. Not long afterward Constantinople fell.

Constantinople II confused the nature of the Monophysite heresy.

Those are two off the top of my head.
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#28
(10-24-2012, 05:36 AM)Poche Wrote: Christ the King was not uncrowned. His feast day was moved to the last Sunday in ordinary time.
Viva Cristo Rey!!!!
Long live Christ the King!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's on the Novus Ordo Calendar.

From right here on FE:
" In the Novus Ordo, this Feast was moved from the last Sunday in October to the last Sunday of the season after Pentecost, which is the Sunday before Advent Sunday. The effect of this is to interrupt between the Reign of Christ with His Saints, who are commemorated en masse on 1 November, and the necessity of recognizing His Kingship now, during the "thousand years" of the Church Age. With the Feast moved to the very last Sunday in the Time After Pentecost, it leads one to believe that Christ isn't King now--- and that all persons and nations don't need to recognize Him as King now---but that He will be recognized as King only at the end of time when He reveals Himself at the Second Advent. In other words, the moving of the Feast symbolically defeats the very purpose of the Feast, which is not only to honor the very fact of His Kingship, but to pray for the conversion of all people and nations to His Church so that souls will be saved and the social order will conform to the moral law." 

http://www.fisheaters.com/customstimeaft...ost11.html
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#29
(10-24-2012, 06:09 PM)trident59 Wrote: L celebrate by going to an EF Mass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you're very fortunate to be able to do so.
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#30
I'm celebrating by reading the council documents systematically, discussing them with friends, and including new devotional practices in this Year of Faith.
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