Ideological-Theological Spectrum of Self-Identified Catholics
#81
(08-16-2013, 01:47 PM)Melchior Wrote:
(08-16-2013, 01:44 PM)Meg Wrote:
(08-16-2013, 01:41 PM)Melchior Wrote: You know what?  I owe the board an apology.  Jayne and Rich are correct; there's a very vocal minority who say things like charismatics and the charismatic renewal are heretical, but for the most part people are either indifferent or think it's fine (and it's just not for them).

Another distortion (or outright lie). I never said that charismaticsm is heretical. I take it that you can't or won't tell me how the FSSP in your area support CCR?

If you want to talk about distortion, I never said you specifically called charismatics heretical - nor were you singled by name in my post.  Again, if the cornflakes taste funny get away from the table.

The FSSP in my area support the CCR in the following ways:

-  Promoting their events.
-  Not calling them heretics.
-  Doing diocesan events together.
-  Discussing mutual interests.

Other misc etc items. 

How do the FSSP in your area promote CCR events?
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#82
(08-16-2013, 01:41 PM)Melchior Wrote: You know what?  I owe the board an apology.  Jayne and Rich are correct; there's a very vocal minority who say things like charismatics and the charismatic renewal are heretical, but for the most part people are either indifferent or think it's fine (and it's just not for them).

I am really glad that you are getting more of a sense of the range of views on this topic.  It is hard to get the past the vocal minority.
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#83
I just got back from work and realize how bad I smell.

Oh hi didn't see you guiz there, how embarrassing.
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#84
(08-16-2013, 01:51 PM)Meg Wrote:
(08-16-2013, 01:47 PM)Melchior Wrote:
(08-16-2013, 01:44 PM)Meg Wrote:
(08-16-2013, 01:41 PM)Melchior Wrote: You know what?  I owe the board an apology.  Jayne and Rich are correct; there's a very vocal minority who say things like charismatics and the charismatic renewal are heretical, but for the most part people are either indifferent or think it's fine (and it's just not for them).

Another distortion (or outright lie). I never said that charismaticsm is heretical. I take it that you can't or won't tell me how the FSSP in your area support CCR?

If you want to talk about distortion, I never said you specifically called charismatics heretical - nor were you singled by name in my post.  Again, if the cornflakes taste funny get away from the table.

The FSSP in my area support the CCR in the following ways:

-  Promoting their events.
-  Not calling them heretics.
-  Doing diocesan events together.
-  Discussing mutual interests.

Other misc etc items. 

How do the FSSP in your area promote CCR events?

Zeppelins.
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#85
(08-16-2013, 01:55 PM)Basilios Wrote: I just got back from work and realize how bad I smell.

Oh hi didn't see you guiz there, how embarrassing.

#ZEPPELINS
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#86
(08-16-2013, 01:53 PM)JayneK Wrote:
(08-16-2013, 01:41 PM)Melchior Wrote: You know what?  I owe the board an apology.  Jayne and Rich are correct; there's a very vocal minority who say things like charismatics and the charismatic renewal are heretical, but for the most part people are either indifferent or think it's fine (and it's just not for them).

I am really glad that you are getting more of a sense of the range of views on this topic.  It is hard to get the past the vocal minority.

I commend you, Jayne, on a job well-done, in paving the way for trads to accept the post-V2 novelties, such as CCR. What you are doing is intentional. Doc was right. Pretty soon, you and Melchoir will have trads wagging their heads and thinking that they are channelling the Holy Ghost. Congrats.
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#87
(08-16-2013, 01:09 PM)maldon Wrote: Same goes for many other categories. I mean, for me, you would have to create a whole new category which says "Doesn't care anymore about the polemics. Goes to Trad mass when possible, NO when TLM not possible. Apart from that, does his best with prayer life and avoiding evil."

It is true that I do care about some of these things, but "Conciliar Ambiguities"? Don't care about it anymore."Quanta Cura'? Never heard of it. "FSSP"? Yep, good people, some better than others go to the masses. But do I actually KNOW the FSSP? Not really. I'm just a guy going to mass, confession, and the after-mass social stuff. "Errors of the Council"? Don't care. Where would you start? Where would it end? Better to ignore, hit reset, and have a new council in a few decades. "Anathema sit"? Is this a document? If so, never heard of it. If it is just old-fashioned papal condemnation, then . . . whatever. "SSPX"? Visited their place once. Nice priest, just like the FSSP priest. This is one of the only things I could say I "care" about here. I attend an FSSP church, and am 100% grateful for it and happy to be there. But I do care about the SSPX, because I feel they got a raw, raw, raw, raw deal in this world. A nasty deal. Yes, I am sure there are some kooks in the SSPX, but it is sooooo hypocritical for people to say this, as if  there are no kooks in FSSP hangouts, in NO parishes, or in the Vatican. In fact, we are all kooks in some sense anyway.

I can strongly relate to what you have posted here.  I am moving more and more in this direction.  I have lots of opinions on assorted liturgical and doctrinal matters, but they are seeming less important than working on my prayer life and developing virtue.  I am noticing that the energy I used to put into my opinions is being redirected to these more practical things.
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#88
(08-16-2013, 02:00 PM)Meg Wrote: I commend you, Jayne, on a job well-done, in paving the way for trads to accept the post-V2 novelties, such as CCR. What you are doing is intentional. Doc was right. Pretty soon, you and Melchoir will have trads wagging their heads and thinking that they are channelling the Holy Ghost. Congrats.

:truce:  I don't want to fight with you, Meg.
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#89
(08-16-2013, 02:03 PM)JayneK Wrote: I can strongly relate to what you have posted here.  I am moving more and more in this direction.  I have lots of opinions on assorted liturgical and doctrinal matters, but they are seeming less important than working on my prayer life and developing virtue.  I am noticing that the energy I used to put into my opinions is being redirected to these more practical things.

I decided last winter to focus on the Mass and the Rosary, myself. I'm putting together a booklist for myself that I want to re-read every year so I can keep close to the heart of the Faith. Maybe I'll start a thread about it here. Gosh, it's been ages since I started a thread anywhere.
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#90
(08-16-2013, 01:48 PM)JayneK Wrote:
(08-16-2013, 01:35 PM)Meg Wrote: Next you will be accusing me of being uncharitable. I'm surprised you haven't done so already. But that's okay, Jayne will do it if you don't.

Meg, I am sorry if I have been overly critical and accusatory towards you.  I will try to speak more gently to you in the future.

I don't need for you to speak gently. I'm not a baby. I need for you to be honest.
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