Cardinal attends Greek Orthodox Easter Vigil
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CaptCrunch73 Wrote:Cardinal Sean does it again. First an ecumencial outreach to the Methodicts and now an ecumenical outreach to the Orthodox. And at what point does it become ok for me to make an ecumenical outreach to the SSPX chapel?

BOSTON -- Honoring a tradition of recent years, the Greek Orthodox Metropolitan Methodios of Boston welcomed Cardinal Seán P. O'Malley in an ecumenical spirit of outreach, April 20, for the Greek Orthodox Easter Vigil at the Greek Orthodox Cathedral of the Annunciation.

This year, the date of Easter in both the Julian calendar used in the Eastern Churches and the Gregorian calendar used in the West, fell on the same day. It provided a common date of celebration of the Risen Christ, as the Church leaders continued the tradition of the metropolitan's visits to the Cathedral of the Holy Cross for the Chrism Mass during Holy Week, and the cardinal's visits the Greek Orthodox cathedral on Greek Easter as a sign of the desire for unity between the two churches.

"Your eminence, my esteemed and respected brother in Christ, Cardinal Seán, brother priests, and my brothers and sisters, it is always a joy for me personally and for all of you, I am sure, to have with us, during our Easter Vigil, his eminence the Cardinal Archbishop of Boston," Metropolitan Methodios said.

He noted that this year marks the 50th anniversary of a meeting held in Jerusalem at the Mount of Olives between Pope Paul VI and Ecumenical Patriarch Athenagoras I in 1964, that led to further acts of unity that ultimately rescinded the excommunications of the Great Schism of 1054.

"It was a meeting which captured the attention of the entire world, because it was the first meeting between the heads of the Churches since 1438. It marked a dramatic turn for the Churches from alienation to brotherly engagement," the metropolitan said.

Cardinal O'Malley and Metropolitan Methodios continued that spirit of engagement at the vigil, and mentioned the upcoming meeting between Pope Francis and Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I during a May pilgrimage to the Holy Land.

Delivering his remarks at the vigil, Cardinal O'Malley read from a statement by Patriarch Bartholomew on the upcoming pilgrimage.

"Two thousand years ago, it was in Jerusalem where the Light dawned from the Tomb. May it be in Jerusalem again where the light of peace, mutual trust, and brotherly love shines brightly, for the sake of our two Churches and the sake of the whole world," the cardinals said quoting Patriarch Bartholomew.

"I know that we all share these same sentiments," Cardinal O'Malley added.

Having come directly from the Easter Vigil at the Cathedral of the Holy Cross in the South End, the cardinal expressed his thoughts on the significance of the ecumenical outreach, and the upcoming historic meeting of the two church leaders.

"My presence here at this joyful Easter celebration affords me the opportunity to express the love, our thanks, for the ministry of his eminence the Metropolitan Methodios, and to reiterate our congratulations for his three decades of service as the Greek Orthodox Metropolitan of Boston," Cardinal O'Malley said.

Associate director of Ecumenical Affairs for the Archdiocese of Boston, Vito Nicastro, said the Catholic-Orthodox ecumenical outreach in the Boston area has garnered attention even from other parts of the world.

"Because the relationship is made incarnate on the local level, Boston has become a sort of treasure for the whole Church, because there are not many places, I think, where the ecumenical relationship has been so fully developed and expressed in fidelity to the Church's teaching," Nicastro said.

He called the ecumenical outreach between the two Churches in Boston, throughout Massachusetts, and on the upcoming global scale more than an honor, but a significant moment of evangelization from the two Churches as one group of believers, in a sense presenting the Gospel to the world in a unified statement of solidarity.

"It isn't only an honor, it's an evangelization moment because Orthodox and Catholics -- three quarters of the Christians on the planet -- need to proclaim together our faith in the resurrection," he said.

He said the cardinal pointed to the message of the ecumenical patriarch to emphasize critical needs in the pursuit of further Christian unity.

"We need peace, certainly the peace of making peace with our past, and we need mutual trust. I think this is so critically important, because for all of our Churches to make changes -- changes which are not just going to require effort, but maybe sacrifice and difficulty -- we need to trust each other, and brotherly love is the most important of all," Nicastro said.

"The stakes are so high, the cardinal quotes the ecumenical patriarch as saying the stakes are for our own two Churches and for the world, and that's echoing Jesus' prayer, Jesus Himself, his dying wish in the Gospel of John chapter 17 verse 21, where it says, I pray that they might be one, that the world may believe. So, it really comes down, ultimately, to what is most important, that we reflect the unity which is the nature of God, the reconciliation of the Gospel, and the key to the world believing," he added.

http://www.thebostonpilot.com/article.asp?ID=171123
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(04-29-2014, 03:22 PM)CaptCrunch73 Wrote: Cardinal Sean does it again. First an ecumencial outreach to the Methodicts and now an ecumenical outreach to the Orthodox. And at what point does it become ok for me to make an ecumenical outreach to the SSPX chapel?

Though I'm not "an SSPXer," for lack of a better phrase (and I'm well aware that only priests are "members" of the SSPX), that question right there just about sums it all up.  You can:

[Image: fcredsquare.gif]  have Passover seders with Jews (as long as you don't try to Christianize it all, as long as you understand that "the rites of the haggadah for the Seder should be respected in all their integrity" -- unlike Catholic rites, which can involve puppets and clowns and dancing girls --- and as long as you avoid "[a]ny sense of 'restaging' the Last Supper of the Lord Jesus";

[Image: fcredsquare.gif]  hang out -- during EASTER WEEK even -- at an Orthodox Church;

[Image: fcredsquare.gif]  pray in charismatic Protestants' --- er, "faith community buildings";

[Image: fcredsquare.gif]  go bob back and forth at the "Wailing Wall;

[Image: fcredsquare.gif]  stick your butt up in the air in a mosque while praying to Allah -- who, though not triune, is still one and the same as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob;

[Image: fcredsquare.gif]  fight for women's ordination -- and still remain a priest;

[Image: fcredsquare.gif]  be an institution purportedly devoted to protecting Catholics from abuse, but take it as your mission to get folks to not boycott Israel ---

--- but, by Hell, if you even attempt to believe and worship as your grandparents did, you're in twouble, Mister!

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I thought Catholics were allowed to attend SSPX chapels.

(I agree with the objectionable nature of that objectionable list, Vox. I am just saying in my view this is not analogical to the SSPX, whose masses we can attend, and even fulfill Sunday obligation.)
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(04-29-2014, 05:27 PM)maldon Wrote: I thought Catholics were allowed to attend SSPX chapels.

(I agree with the objectionable nature of that objectionable list, Vox. I am just saying in my view this is not analogical to the SSPX, whose masses we can attend, and even fulfill Sunday obligation.)

They are. But they're given grief for it despite what "the Vatican" said about it. Try bringing it up on CAF, for ex. Or call your local chancery and ask if it's OK to attend an SSPX Mass. Odds are -- I'm guessing! -- 80-20 that you'll be told you can't. Or, at least, that it's a "bad idea."

We ought to have an experiment about this:  have folks call their local chanceries, ask that question, and report back as to what they were told.
 

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I wonder what you would get more grief about in a typical NO parish, going to an SSPX chapel or wearing a veil.
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(04-29-2014, 06:01 PM)Vox Clamantis Wrote: We ought to have an experiment about this:  have folks call their local chanceries, ask that question, and report back as to what they were told.

Where we receive a negative response, perhaps some fishies would be interested in a slightly devious calling campaign?

Not of course to annoy anyone, plead with them to change their mind or do anything uncharitible, but a few dozen callers simply asking if they can go to the SSPX Mass might make things in the chancery a bit more interesting than the blah day-to-day.
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This is just Cardinal O'Malley following in the footsteps of the now Saint John Paul the Great in his rabid ecumenism.  In light of John Paul the Great how could we possibly take offense at O'Malley attending the services of "seperated" brethren who are, along with Methodists and Hindus, simply in lesser or greater communion with th Catholic Church? Seriously though, in light of the ecclesiology of Vatican II and the ecumenical example of Saint John Paul the Great, how can we actually condemn this?
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I get your point. Vox, but I think it would be better to simply have people, like myself, who have never attended an SSPX Sunday Mass, attend one, or go for a month, and then talk about  it to people they know, including their NO priest, so that when the wrong information comes out, they can be told, No, the Church most certainly says we can. You can download versions of the Ecclesia Dei answers to these questions and send them to them. It might even be constructive! Yes, I would love to annoy them for their injustice, but that is counterproductive and not the point. I would even attend, and then talk about how wonderful it has been in the last 8 years or so, as we have seen cardinals attend Orthodox masses, and we all have permission to attend SSPX masses.
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Great question, Phattonez! I bet you the veils would he harder. It is the little details that are the real triggers.
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(04-29-2014, 06:01 PM)Vox Clamantis Wrote:
(04-29-2014, 05:27 PM)maldon Wrote: I thought Catholics were allowed to attend SSPX chapels.

(I agree with the objectionable nature of that objectionable list, Vox. I am just saying in my view this is not analogical to the SSPX, whose masses we can attend, and even fulfill Sunday obligation.)

They are. But they're given grief for it despite what "the Vatican" said about it.  Try bringing it up on CAF, for ex. Or call your local chancery and ask if it's OK to attend an SSPX Mass. Odds are -- I'm guessing! -- 80-20 that you'll be told you can't. Or, at least, that it's a "bad idea."

We ought to have an experiment about this:  have folks call their local chanceries, ask that question, and report back as to what they were told.
 

Can I get a link to what the Vatican said, please?  Thank you.
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