illegal immigration and you.
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Don't know many Central Americans (though that will change this year), but I know South Americans SERIOUSLY look down on Mexicans.  I know a Colombian lady who used to complain Mexicans can't speak Spanish.  We kept quiet about it.  Anyhow, one day a Mexican, the Colombian lady, and an American are speaking Spanish.  The Mexican would say something in Spanish, and then the Colombian would say the same thing, but speak the correct Spanish, and the American could only understand the Colombian.  So the Colombian was translating the Mexican into Spanish. True story, it was pretty funny.

Now back to culture.  The Mexicans are really bad.  They worship something called "Saint Death", which I guess is san muerto, or something like that.  Anyhow, it is devil worship when you get to it.

As far as Catholics, if a Mexican illegal needs assistance, you have to give it to them.  However, the Mexican illegals as a whole, or the Mexican nationals in Mexico, you owe nothing.  If you go down that route, I'll show you 500 million Bangladeshi you can feed.  Or 750 million malnourished Chinese.  There is no end to the ravages of socialism you can cry about.

Again, I think the illegals I have met (and been friends with -- no Erin, I'm not a racist for saying that) are hard workers and are here to help themselves and their families.  You have to admire that.  However, letting them in will destroy this country.  Mexico has to be fixed, and the only thing that can do it is the Catholic Church, which currently is preaching pentacostalism and liberation theology in every (empty) parish church, so they are making the situation worse.  Don't expect any improvement for at least a decade.
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(04-21-2010, 05:32 PM)ardens Wrote: People in my state say Mexicans are turning California into Mexico. What, you mean they're turning a protestant haven of liberalism and modernism into a Catholic country? I fail to see the problem.

I wish that were the case. Sadly many Mexicans in California are Catholic in name only. They are as pagan as any other group. Then all the serious devout religious Catholic Mexicans are immersed in Novus Ordo Charismaticism. The Charismatic movement has claimed many of the Latinos here in Southern California.
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James oe as for spanish ur correct. Colombians have a pride about this. I know it well and sure the best spanish I've heard that was music to me ears is the spanish fropm medillian.
Tough town.
Not all mexicans worhip saint death. Man the FD alone has 25 million people. And that's just one city. She is mainly the saint for drug gangs and they're are others besides herm also she's not even mexican in origin. Some how some way an argentinian santa muerte became the mexican drug gang mascot. Santa meurte is common enough around santiagoi de estaro argentina just sayin.
They even paint her the same for the most part
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I went to daily mass the last tme I was in mexico. Yeah well the no is the no is the no is the no. The sspx has a few chapels in the fd. As for mexico being pagan well its a ver syncretist place ill to that. The only place I have ever seen a priest wear a pentegram! Yeah no shit. Its mexico. But as for paganism europe is sure as bad as it gets. Most mexicans I ran with believed in CHRIST knew he was God were horrible sinners but still understood they sinned. I can't say that for the frenchmen or brits I've known. For what's it worth
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(04-21-2010, 05:32 PM)ardens Wrote: People in my state say Mexicans are turning California into Mexico. What, you mean they're turning a protestant haven of liberalism and modernism into a Catholic country? I fail to see the problem.

Except that the sort of Catholicism they bring is by and large, an extension of their Mexicanism.  Mexico is not a Catholic country, despite whatever feelings some of the populace have; its been ruled by leftist elites since the 1910s - private Catholic schools are still banned by their constitution.  When I did my stint in the US Army, I was surprised to see how quickly many Mexicans were to turn over to Pentecostalism, although I havent seen it outside of the military, I would believe it.

On my only trip to Mexico, I did see some vibrant Catholicism in Monterey, but the rest of it seemed peppered by Liberation Theology or a sort of Pentacostalism-lite.
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(04-21-2010, 05:32 PM)ardens Wrote: People in my state say Mexicans are turning California into Mexico. What, you mean they're turning a protestant haven of liberalism and modernism into a Catholic country?

Unfortunately, no.  The image Americans (like George Bush) have of Mexico as a country full of people devoutly saying the Rosary is at least a century out of date.  (Unsurprising, really, since the Church was attacked and suppressed by the socialist revolution of the late 19th century.)  Mexican immigrants to the USA have a much higher abortion rate than native-born groups except for blacks.  Ditto for crime, divorce, etc.  In the vote on homosexual marriage in California a couple years ago, older first-generation Hispanic immigrants did vote somewhat against homosexual marriage, but younger and second generation ones voted at least as pro-homosexual as whites.

Obviously, there are very devout Catholics in Mexico, and I don't want to denigrate them.  But as a group, they are not who's coming over the border.  To the extent that immigrants from Mexico are Catholic, it's mostly a cultural Catholicism, which quickly gives way to the secular liberalism of their new home, adding their numbers to the forces working against the Church politically and socially.
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Quote: But as for paganism europe is sure as bad as it gets. Most mexicans I ran with believed in CHRIST knew he was God were horrible sinners but still understood they sinned.
I've partied with some cool Mexicans.  And my old Trad parish had Traditionalist illegals.  So I recognize that there are a lot of good people down there, especially the Trads.  And if we had no socialism, and no welfare, and no public schools, then those good people would be the ones to come to America and it would be a blessing.  But that ain't the way it is.

And the Novus Ordo in Mexico is far worse than in the USA if you can believe it.  Don't really know much about the N.O. in Europe.  I imagine it is really bad too.
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#38
Not much different then most o western europe or canada or most the world then. Name me. A catholic nation at present. I would like to check it. Out. And not just catholic by culture. Can you?
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(04-21-2010, 06:10 PM)Mhoram Wrote: Obviously, there are very devout Catholics in Mexico, and I don't want to denigrate them.  But as a group, they are not who's coming over the border.

That is what I have noticed in my Salvadoran family too. My grandparent's generation was the last orthodox Catholic generation among Latinos. It seems that all the Catholic Trads that lived in Central America and Mexico at one time, died out and are left buried in their homelands. All the Catholic Latinos that immigrated to the U.S., are Baby Boomers who grew up with the 60's revolution and have only known the Vatican II religion.
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(04-21-2010, 06:16 PM)devotedknuckles Wrote: Not much different then most o western europe or canada or most the world then. Name me. A catholic nation at present. I would like to check it. Out. And not just catholic by culture. Can you?

Liechtenstein, Ireland (by and large), Malta.  Church attendance is still quite high in Italy.
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