Traditional Latin Mass in Milwaukee!
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I was looking at confession times and such for Milwaukee churches (taking my girlfriend and myself!), and I just found out...

The church my parents were married at is having a Traditional Latin Mass on August 15th (Assumption!).  I think they used to have a Low Mass said there...  but ICKSP is having their Mass and picnic that day, so I don't think it's being said by ICKSP priests.

Regardless, I thought this was worthy of posting and joy!  :)

I'm tempted to drive the 7 hours one way just to attend, to support the priest!  :)
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#2
The Mass that made Milwaukee famous.
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Wisconsin is sooo strange. On the one hand the people are center right mostly yet Wisconsin is the  birth place of the progressive religion. Not very many TLM's there nor on a full time basis. I was up in Milwaukee suburbs last weekend and the land is nice and not really urban nor suburban, more semi-rural, which leads me to believe that they are more or less right thinking, but they are very curious bunch and in mid sentence can become foaming seething mad liberals.
Just my 0.02 informed by drinking beer and eating brats at the Brat Stop, but more TLM's would help these folks, for sure.
tim
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A lot of the Midwest is that way.  I think it comes from people generally being nice.  They're conservative in their expectations of themselves, but they think it would be mean to expect things of others.  So you get weird things like the local Democrat club being used as a hunting headquarters during deer season, and then all the same guys go to the polls and vote for people who want to take everyone's guns away, because they don't want other people hurting each other.  They try to bring up their own kids right, more or less, but they think we need massive school and daycare programs for other people, because it would be mean to expect others to be good parents.

Basically, they're too nice to tell a hungry guy to learn to fish, or even give him a rod and reel and point him to the nearest lake; it's nicer to just give him a fish.
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(08-05-2010, 08:31 AM)timoose Wrote: Wisconsin is sooo strange. On the one hand the people are center right mostly yet Wisconsin is the  birth place of the progressive religion. Not very many TLM's there nor on a full time basis. I was up in Milwaukee suburbs last weekend and the land is nice and not really urban nor suburban, more semi-rural, which leads me to believe that they are more or less right thinking, but they are very curious bunch and in mid sentence can become foaming seething mad liberals.
Just my 0.02 informed by drinking beer and eating brats at the Brat Stop, but more TLM's would help these folks, for sure.
tim

Wisconsin is large. Cardinal Burke made a big change whne he was in LaCrosse, the Institute of St Joseph is quite traditional organization. You can make exception for the Milwaukee area, but the rest is rural, traditional people. They have 16 TLM churches, the Institute of Christ has 4 place by itself.

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(08-05-2010, 12:21 AM)CollegeCatholic Wrote: I'm tempted to drive the 7 hours one way just to attend, to support the priest!  :)

That would be laudable.
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(08-05-2010, 10:19 AM)Mhoram Wrote: A lot of the Midwest is that way.  I think it comes from people generally being nice.  They're conservative in their expectations of themselves, but they think it would be mean to expect things of others.  So you get weird things like the local Democrat club being used as a hunting headquarters during deer season, and then all the same guys go to the polls and vote for people who want to take everyone's guns away, because they don't want other people hurting each other.  They try to bring up their own kids right, more or less, but they think we need massive school and daycare programs for other people, because it would be mean to expect others to be good parents.

Basically, they're too nice to tell a hungry guy to learn to fish, or even give him a rod and reel and point him to the nearest lake; it's nicer to just give him a fish.

This all depends. For example, my city almost everyone votes Republican fiercely but the city just south of us and the county seat is likely to go either way. The culture is generally conservative the the political expectations can be pretty divided. Many people have guns, and everyone loves football. They have good beer and even though sometimes it's difficult it's never impossible to find a good bar. People are generally very friendly, talkative, and generous.

Everyone is either Catholic, Lutheran, Evangelical, or non-religious. You'll meet a lot of people who have been all four, each at different points in their life. If you're not German you're Dutch, Irish, Polish, or French, but you're still probably German. They even have Oktoberfest and everyone knows bratwurst and local breweries.

(08-05-2010, 08:31 AM)timoose Wrote: Wisconsin is sooo strange. On the one hand the people are center right mostly yet Wisconsin is the  birth place of the progressive religion. Not very many TLM's there nor on a full time basis. I was up in Milwaukee suburbs last weekend and the land is nice and not really urban nor suburban, more semi-rural, which leads me to believe that they are more or less right thinking, but they are very curious bunch and in mid sentence can become foaming seething mad liberals.
Just my 0.02 informed by drinking beer and eating brats at the Brat Stop, but more TLM's would help these folks, for sure.
tim

As far Catholicism goes, the people who actually attend Mass can be anything from very conservative or very liberal theologically. It really depends on what generation they belong to. Most of them, however, are from older generations. If I attend a NO mass I'm often the only one under 30 besides the Deacon....maybe.....

Liturgically it's not so much that they are liberal, just that they don't know any better and allow many liberal things to happen. No one questions it. If I raise objections I'm not ostracized so much as ignored; not out of resentment but because people just are not paying attention. Tridentine Masses, I have noticed, rarely spark the interests of Catholics over the age of 25, but most of the non-Catholics I know, even pagans and atheists, have been eager to see a TLM. This is mostly the case just in my area: North East Wisconsin. The dioceses are weird as well. They tend to have conservative bishops with liberal priests and staff. As a result not a lot gets done except at local levels or out of the bishop's direct action. My diocese, Green Bay, has a very conservative bishop who is very supportive of conservative "reform of the reform," as well as the TLM. Many of the priests in the diocese are either scared of their parishioners so they do not go along with his thinking, or they just don't care about what he has to say. One woman would not let the TLM community use the Cathedral balcony, even though the bishop said we could, because to her it was her own and what the bishop says did matter to her. "He's a nice guy but doesn't know how we do things here." Luckily, she figured out that he took his job seriously after awhile.

Different diocesan staff have tried to get rid of the TLM or push it into a corner, but they can't for two reasons. One, our bishop is a good bishop, and two, the ICRSS are a pontifical rite, so they have no authority over our priests.

You're right about the area being neither Urban, nor Surburban, nor Rural, but all three in a strange way. Even big cities (besides Milwaukee and Madison) still maintain a strange small town feel. And most of the cities try hard to preserve their historical center. People are very casual and find too much formality a bit unnerving. I have the habit of calling people "Sir,"  "Mister," or "Miss," and they insist I use their first name. They don't much care about race, despite the fact that most people are white. I once saw four guys, very normal guys, arguing about the Packers, and one of them was a Pakistani guy with a thick accent. No one seemed to even notice the fact. Industry and farming rule Wisconsin. If you do not have family in labor unions, you probably have family who are farmers. Wisconsin is on the border of both the Bread Basket and the Foundry of North America, and it shows. If you do not see factory chimneys pumping out steam in the distance, you probably see church steeples, barns, silos. Everyone knows a lot of people who fish, hunt, and hike, even if they live in the middle of the city and never do it themselves.

My one complaint is music. Wisconsinites love their hard rock. There is nothing wrong with that unless you're only choice of radio station are that and Country. I like Metal, Classical, Jazz, even Bluegrass, but they're never played in public. If I wanted to see Iron Maiden on their last tour I would have had to drive all the way to Chicago like my friends did. Also, if you don't follow football then forget having a normal conversation. Everyone follows the Packers. You can never watch football and never go to a sports bar and you'll know more about the Packers than you'd think. You can talk about every other sport, but everyone talks about football. Even the Irish Pub I frequent has started playing Rugby and Soccer games just to have an alternative.

That's my shpiel on the state I currently live in.
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It is actually real liberal there, especially around Milwaukee, and Madison for that matter.  This is due to the history of the German socialists coming in during the late 1800's on when Anti-socialist laws were enacted in Germany.

The reason for the rural nature has really nothing to do with being conservative.  It is just the way the Germans lived back in Germany.  The main town is where the homes are together.  Real close together mind you since they like the social nature.  Their farm land, which is usually common shared, is on the outskirts of the town.  You can still see this in the Czech Republic small towns.

The need for people to live far apart from each other is mostly an American and/or Protestant concept, which an individual lives on large parcels of land only used to himself and really no one close by.
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#9
I have to admit that Wisconsin has the best state fair hands down.  I used to go there whenever I could when I lived in Chicago.

Also, the best is Holy Hill.  I would go there almost every year to make a pilgrimage with my family and do the Stations of the Cross up the hill.  Now only if they had a TLM at Holy Hill.   ;)
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#10
Like I said, it depends on where you are. If you took out the Milwaukee and Madison area the state would probably always vote Republican.

Madison does not count as part of Wisconsin. It is 44 square miles surrounded by reality.
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