Father Villa and JP2
#11
(08-02-2011, 02:21 PM)Louis_Martin Wrote: Why would a man forced to be ordained secretly, to live in an underground church, to have Mass in private chapels force the SSPX and traditional Catholics to do the same?
Why would a man who saw communism destroy the hearts of the polish people fail to decry communism at the second Vatican council?

Because he was weak and lost his mind after 1960 like 99% of the other prelates?? Your guess is as good as mine, but its probably all part of the Diabolical Disorientation that ensued during and after Vatican II!  >:( :pray:
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#12
So is the only was to reconcile this that JP2 lost his mind, Paul VIth lost his mind and B16 lost his mind also?

Seems like quiet a co-incidence that so many Popes are losing their minds?

I still don't understand how that makes JP2 Blessed.  If Blessed is "worthy of respect" then surely that is because there is some level or credibility or truth behind that title.

But St. Pius Xth and JP2 cannot both be blessed because they believed and espoused opposing truths.
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#13
This just sadden me to no end! :(

"Next: More than a million young people of both sexes, had been
camping for five days in the fields of the University of “Tor Vergata”
on the outskirts of Rome. The Vatican was the promoter of this event.
At the end of the event, the media reported that, in the work of cleaning the areas where young people had camped, enormous quantities
of used condoms were collected
The same moral principles that prevailed in the
vicinity of Krakow, in the ‘70s, thanks to John Paul II, became a general rule for the Catholic youth of the 90s, throughout the world."

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#14
(08-02-2011, 02:34 PM)ggreg Wrote:
(08-02-2011, 02:05 PM)dan hunter Wrote: Blessed John Paul II is acknowledged by Christs Church, the Catholic Church as beatified, Blessed.
Though this is not an infallible declaration, it is worthy of great respect and John Paul II is worthy of being called Blessed.

If JP2 is "Blessed" then truth is mutable or error is a virtue.

Let's ignore the specifics of what he stood for, believed and actively promoted.  We all know what they were. The fact is, that in a world of absolute and unchangeable truth there is simply NO WAY ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH to reconcile JP2s writings world and deeds with the writings words deeds and teaching of the Catholic Church that preceded him for hundreds of years.

If JP2 is Blessed, then how can Pius Xth also be Bessed and Canonized?  Pius Xth came up with the oath against modernism, which I would assume JP2 must have taken at his ordination in the 1940s.  How can he take an oath against modernism, then break that oath all the way through his clerical career and still be Blessed?  Oath breaking of that nature is grave matter and we have absolutely no evidence that he died repentant.  That is just one thing.

This makes no rational sense to me.  Can someone, anyone, square this circle?


John XXIII, Paul VI and JPII were perjurers and a lot of cardinals bishops and priests ordained before the council too. So don't ask why the modernism has spread everywhere in the Church since the oath against modernism was cancelled by Paul VI.
In doing so the Pope had the merit to make that hypocrisy ceasing.
Now Modernism looks as respectable as if it had never been condemned. People think, speak and behave without having a clue of what is modernism.
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#15
(08-02-2011, 03:02 PM)crusaderfortruth3372 Wrote: This just sadden me to no end! :(

"Next: More than a million young people of both sexes, had been
camping for five days in the fields of the University of “Tor Vergata”
on the outskirts of Rome. The Vatican was the promoter of this event.
At the end of the event, the media reported that, in the work of cleaning the areas where young people had camped, enormous quantities
of used condoms were collected
The same moral principles that prevailed in the
vicinity of Krakow, in the ‘70s, thanks to John Paul II, became a general rule for the Catholic youth of the 90s, throughout the world."

Page 90
http://www.padrepioandchiesaviva.com/upl...ip-web.pdf

The problem with the non judgemental approach is that we cannot even conclude that the majority of these condom were used for the purposes of .................we must be charitable and conclude they might have been used as part of a campsite water bomb fight.
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#16
(08-03-2011, 01:37 AM)ggreg Wrote:
(08-02-2011, 03:02 PM)crusaderfortruth3372 Wrote: This just sadden me to no end! :(

"Next: More than a million young people of both sexes, had been
camping for five days in the fields of the University of “Tor Vergata”
on the outskirts of Rome. The Vatican was the promoter of this event.
At the end of the event, the media reported that, in the work of cleaning the areas where young people had camped, enormous quantities
of used condoms were collected
The same moral principles that prevailed in the
vicinity of Krakow, in the ‘70s, thanks to John Paul II, became a general rule for the Catholic youth of the 90s, throughout the world."

Page 90
http://www.padrepioandchiesaviva.com/upl...ip-web.pdf

The problem with the non judgemental approach is that we cannot even conclude that the majority of these condom were used for the purposes of .................we must be charitable and conclude they might have been used as. Part of a campsite water bomb fight.

Condoms are really hard to break. Once someone at WYD figured out that condoms are terrible for water balloon purposes, then they would have stopped using them...for water balloon purposes.
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#17
(08-03-2011, 01:37 AM)ggreg Wrote:
(08-02-2011, 03:02 PM)crusaderfortruth3372 Wrote: This just sadden me to no end! :(

"Next: More than a million young people of both sexes, had been
camping for five days in the fields of the University of “Tor Vergata”
on the outskirts of Rome. The Vatican was the promoter of this event.
At the end of the event, the media reported that, in the work of cleaning the areas where young people had camped, enormous quantities
of used condoms were collected
The same moral principles that prevailed in the
vicinity of Krakow, in the ‘70s, thanks to John Paul II, became a general rule for the Catholic youth of the 90s, throughout the world."

Page 90
http://www.padrepioandchiesaviva.com/upl...ip-web.pdf

The problem with the non judgemental approach is that we cannot even conclude that the majority of these condom were used for the purposes of .................we must be charitable and conclude they might have been used as. Part of a campsite water bomb fight.


:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
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#18
(08-03-2011, 01:41 AM)Servire Deo Wrote:
(08-03-2011, 01:37 AM)ggreg Wrote:
(08-02-2011, 03:02 PM)crusaderfortruth3372 Wrote: This just sadden me to no end! :(

"Next: More than a million young people of both sexes, had been
camping for five days in the fields of the University of “Tor Vergata”
on the outskirts of Rome. The Vatican was the promoter of this event.
At the end of the event, the media reported that, in the work of cleaning the areas where young people had camped, enormous quantities
of used condoms were collected
The same moral principles that prevailed in the
vicinity of Krakow, in the ‘70s, thanks to John Paul II, became a general rule for the Catholic youth of the 90s, throughout the world."

Page 90
http://www.padrepioandchiesaviva.com/upl...ip-web.pdf

The problem with the non judgemental approach is that we cannot even conclude that the majority of these condom were used for the purposes of .................we must be charitable and conclude they might have been used as. Part of a campsite water bomb fight.

Condoms are really hard to break. Once someone at WYD figured out that condoms are terrible for water balloon purposes, then they would have stopped using them...for water balloon purposes.

Try that argument at Catholic Answers.  They'll say Traditionalist's Condoms might be tough as old boots and impenetrable but our Novus Ordo Pastoral Condoms are soft and liberate their contents everywhere with astonishing ease so are highly suitable for water-bombing.

They'd probably tell you that Durex "Play" were expressly made for water bomb fights and to stop assuming the worst about fellow Catholics.

Let's face it.  The NO religion is a different faith where rationality and truth and common sense are either entirely absent or made inert by a giant rubber sheath being placed over them.
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#19
I wonder whether they would make good weather balloons if you filled them with Helium or Hydrogen?
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#20
(08-02-2011, 02:34 PM)ggreg Wrote:
(08-02-2011, 02:05 PM)dan hunter Wrote: Blessed John Paul II is acknowledged by Christs Church, the Catholic Church as beatified, Blessed.
Though this is not an infallible declaration, it is worthy of great respect and John Paul II is worthy of being called Blessed.

If JP2 is "Blessed" then truth is mutable or error is a virtue.

Let's ignore the specifics of what he stood for, believed and actively promoted.  We all know what they were. The fact is, that in a world of absolute and unchangeable truth there is simply NO WAY ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH to reconcile JP2s writings world and deeds with the writings words deeds and teaching of the Catholic Church that preceded him for hundreds of years.

If JP2 is Blessed, then how can Pius Xth also be Bessed and Canonized?  Pius Xth came up with the oath against modernism, which I would assume JP2 must have taken at his ordination in the 1940s.  How can he take an oath against modernism, then break that oath all the way through his clerical career and still be Blessed?  Oath breaking of that nature is grave matter and we have absolutely no evidence that he died repentant.  That is just one thing.

This makes no rational sense to me.  Can someone, anyone, square this circle?

Stop talking sense or your gonna get called a sede.
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