What do you make of this?
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From what I've read on this invention and the concept behind it, it is not a perpetual-motion device but a 100% efficiency generator/motor which produces electricity from copper atoms. (By the way, nuclear power plants only run at 1% efficiency hence 99% of the nuclear energy is lost.)
 
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#2
This is more interesting www.steorn.com

It appears to be taking energy from a beta-atmosphere or literally an aether.  Either that or the second law of thermodynamics is wrong.

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#3
http://www.phact.org/e/skeptic/newman.htm

Has a press article about him on the above link.  Appears to be a kook.  Most of these perpetual motion machines are bunk.  The acid test is are they putting them on public display and letting them be reviewed by skeptics as well as believers.  While it is unreasonable to expect this to happen within the first year of discovery (because there are those who will try to shoot down and destroy without critically examining the idea as well as dishonest crooks who will sue for patent infringement) it is reasonable for public examination it to happen within 5 years, once they have worked out how and why the thing is working.

Steorn's machine is going on public display at the Kinetica Museum in London this July (1 month's time) and 100,000 little devices will be made (with an ironic design it is rumored) in order than interested parties can get their hands on one and play around with it.

Steorn are also made up of qualified engineers and are not seeking any investment until after validation, which is another tick in the box for them.
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#4
I don't trust "prophets" who look like they stepped out of the 1970s. Usually, there's a good explanation for their antics.

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#5
But what about the concept? It seems based on the same idea as the internal combustion engine and fire which is to produce energy from a material fuel. Does it matter what is the fuel? Well what if it is an inexpensive fuel and 100% efficient (that is, uses all the fuel without any waste such as exhaust or smoke).

ggreg Wrote:Most of these perpetual motion machines are bunk.  The acid test is are they putting them on public display and letting them be reviewed by skeptics as well as believers.  While it is unreasonable to expect this to happen within the first year of discovery (because there are those who will try to shoot down and destroy without critically examining the idea as well as dishonest crooks who will sue for patent infringement) it is reasonable for public examination it to happen within 5 years, once they have worked out how and why the thing is working.
Clearly you did not watch and pay attention to the video; the man was on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson and more. That seems like public display to me. Many US Patent Office employees even said it worked but the agency still wouldn't give him a patent. If it really works we should be looking into it.
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#6
I've actually thought about this conceptually.

Magnets give free energy.  They put out more than goes in, and they never run out.  So from that standpoint, it's possible.

The problem is for a magnet to expend energy, to exert a force that can be captured, an opposing magnet needs to be brought in range.  Thus energy is expended moving it closer.

Well, with fixed magnets this won't work.  Moving magnet A to B will require a force greater than the repulsion between A and B.

Something spinning with weights may be able to use gravity to give a boost in force, but then it won't work in space such as Newman is claiming (though it would be good enough here on earth).

So what you end up with is you need to pulse energy through an electromagnet.  It's like spinning a bicycle wheel with your hand.  It will spin a long time until friction starts slowing it.  Then you give it a push.

But here's the rub.  The output of the energy from the spin has to be greater than the force needed to spin the thing plus the loss in heat through the wires, the loss through friction, etc.

So, you can play with a heavy flywheel to conserve momentum, etc.  But in the end, you're kind of stuck with conservation of energy.  No more will come out than goes in unless you output so much you overcome all kinds of loss.

That said, magnets do some really, really weird things.  There could be a loophole in magnetism that allows for over unity energy.  Like I said, conceptually, magnets are a never ending supply of force with no cost as long as they magically align themselves.

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QuisUtDeus Wrote:Well, with fixed magnets this won't work. Moving magnet A to B will require a force greater than the repulsion between A and B.

There could be a loophole in magnetism that allows for over unity energy. Like I said, conceptually, magnets are a never ending supply of force with no cost as long as they magically align themselves.

There is more than just a loophole.  There is an entire hierarchy of other atmospheres (you might wish to think of them like the old fashioned aether).  By arranging permanent magnets in a certain way Steorn are able to draw energy out of out of these atmospheres (we could term it the magnetic-atmosphere) much like a windmill draws energy from our atmosphere and achieve what appears (if your model denies the existance of such an atmosphere) to be breaking the conservation of energy.  In fact it is not break CoE anymore than splitting the atom is breaking CoE.  But it would APPEAR to be breaking it if you have the wrong theoretical model for atoms.  Just as a windmill would appear to be turning around by "magic" if you were some primitive who could not conceptualize the flowing of air and pressure differentials.

Science has the wrong theoretical model for the "stuff" between atoms.  Empty space is not empty at all.

Steorn are putting their machine on public display in 4 weeks time and subjecting it to scrutiny by observers.  Anyone can attend.  They have a panel of 22 scientists looking at it and drawing up their conclusions.  Going on a TV show is NOT the same thing as this.
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Catholicmilkman Wrote:Many US Patent Office employees even said it worked but the agency still wouldn't give him a patent. If it really works we should be looking into it.

So he says.

If you have invented an above unity machine you don't wait 20 years to try and get a patent.  Whatever happens you are (A) going to be stinking rich just from making guest appearances and enjoying the thanks and praise of the world and (B) you will not be able to defend all the patent breaches anyway.  Can you honestly imagine Japan or China or Indonesia not copying your design?

Morally speaking nobody has a right to own and control an invention of this magnitude.  Faraday didn't patent electricity nor should any man or corporation be allowed to control an invention of this importance to the world.

Patent law is a relatively modern concept and a sometimes unjust one.

You only have 5 weeks to wait to see whether Steorn have cracked it.
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#9
The motu proprio is more likely to be issued than these claims be validated.
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QuisUtDeus Wrote:Magnets give free energy.  They put out more than goes in, and they never run out.
What do you mean by this?
QuidUtDeus Wrote:There could be a loophole in magnetism that allows for over unity energy.
I think this might be on the top ten list for how to assure never obtaining a post in academia. :titanic:
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