What is the Churches postition on marijuana?
#31
Can be bad, given certain circumstances, but not instrinsically evil in and of itself:

Fr. Heribert Jone's "Moral Theology" p. 110:
"Since morpine, opium, chloroform and similar drugs can also deprive one of the use of his reason temporarily, that which was said of intoxicating drinks holds true also for narcotics (Cf. 165, 4).
a) To use narcotics in small quantities and only occasionally, is a venial sin if done without a sufficient reason. Any proportionately good reason justifies their use, e.g., to calm the nerves, dispel insomnia, etc.
Such use becomes gravely sinful if it creates an habitual craving for "dope" which is more difficult to overcome than dipsomania and more injurious to health."


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#32
DesperatelySeeking Wrote:I don't know the full answer, but I'll guess that the Church's position is based at least in part on the assumption that civil laws, so long as they are just and not contrary to moral law, are due obedience.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02137c.htm


Since marijuana is a natural plant and not modified like cocaine, I would have to think God created it for medicinal purposes and also, not controlled by Pappa Govt. Some Founders reputedly used it.

Again, it is not for getting High or abusing it. A good video is hosted by alex Jones. Good to Google Video and type in alex jones

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fR5rc6e3Ksc




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#33
For anxiety or nausea, is often more healthy than prescription, lab-created drugs, which often have larger and more serious side effects.
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#34
Gabriel Wrote:Stay away from it! It's the devil's weed!


it can be addictive, like alcohol or anything.But as it is created by God, it cannot be "devils weed"-unless we beleive the world is evil and created by devil.

Shall we ban alcohol? That too can lead to other addictions. Alcoholism is terrible scourge too!!
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#35
AnimaChristi Wrote:Judging from personal experience with the sort of people who do smoke it, I'd venture to guess that it IS intrinsically sinful.


I was a cop and dealt with many drunks, so lets say alcohol is evil too and ban it.So too in many countries can be a practicing Christian.Drunks can be vicious, destructive and abusive. Potheads are more mellow, though yes, they are abusing a creation of God.

And no, I have never used marijuana.Likely will never, but would resort to it if I had cancer before chemicals.
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#36
Quote:I was a cop and dealt with many drunks, so lets say alcohol is evil too and ban it.

These things are not intrinsically sinful if done in moderation. That is to say, they are not a personal sin in individual instances if done in moderation.

But I think our cultural toleration of them constitutes a "social sin" as it were, a sinful system.

25000 people are killed by drunk drivers each year. And alcohol related deaths in general are over 100000.

Seatbelts only save about 10000 lives per year, and yet we are required to wear them. But alcohol takes TEN TIMES that many lives, and society is willing to accept that as "collateral damage" so that you all can "feel good" and get "relaxed". Afterall, "I'm not going to abuse it"...well, that's what they all say. Yes, it may be some people "ruining the fun for the rest of us"...but if it saves that many lives, then suck it up. 
It is shameful that Prohibition, the moral highpoint of the otherwise dismal pit of American democracy...was repealed just because we let some gangsters undermine it.

The answer is simply that the bottle is of the devil. I mean as a social phenomenon in general even if not a personal sin for the individual in moderation.

Not all things that are allowed are expedient. Slavery certainly wasnt; it could theoretically be done morally and was in specific cases...but led, as a practical matter, to so much abuse and suffering...it was better to be rid of it.

And I feel the same way about drinking, gambling, etc. I'm not going to be a Puritan and condemn them as absolutely sinful for the individual in moderation, but as social phenomenons...they are "structures of sin".

Also, for example, casinos are really evil sin-pits like that. And while I'm not going to say that going in and spending a little money for fun on a trip to Vegas or whatever is personally sinful...it's certainly, overall, a sinful system, a "socially sinful" phenomenon.

And even if not a personal sin, I certainly dont want to be complicit in it. Alcohol, at least as practiced in America, is just part of the reign of Babylon. 

Our souls are sold over a tiny piece at a time, one little compromise at a time...
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Catholic777 Wrote:It is shameful that Prohibition, the moral highpoint of the otherwise dismal pit of American democracy...was repealed just because we let some gangsters undermine it.

The answer is simply that the bottle is of the devil. I mean as a social phenomenon in general even if not a personal sin for the individual in moderation.

Not all things that are allowed are expedient. Slavery certainly wasnt; it could theoretically be done morally and was in specific cases...but led, as a practical matter, to so much abuse and suffering...it was better to be rid of it.

And I feel the same way about drinking, gambling, etc. I'm not going to be a Puritan and condemn them as absolutely sinful for the individual in moderation, but as social phenomenons...they are "structures of sin".

And even if not a personal sin, I certainly dont want to be complicit in it. Alcohol, at least as practiced in America, is just part of the reign of Babylon.

So Our Lord was involved in sin when He drank wine?  When he created more wine for the wedding at Cana, even though they had drank a bunch already?
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#38
Oh please. That's a simplistic and absurd reductionism of what I said and you know it.

That's like saying someone against slavery (as a practical matter) is implying that Paul was complicit in sin when he sent Onesimus back to Philemon. I clearly said that drinking is not, absolutely speaking, necessarily a personal sin, nor is slavery if done morally. And Jesus knew he could drink responsibly and so could the guests, and Paul knew Philemon would be a kind master treat Onesimus like a brother.

But still...both phenomenon lead to a lot of pain and suffering as social systems...at least as they were/are practiced in America. As an American social phenomenon, at least, alcohol certainly is a social sin. It's a bad situation, clearly.

Things are different even just in Europe, however, and in the Middle East 2000 years ago, certainly so.

For one, they didnt have cars. Two, they did not have strong liquors. It's much harder to OD on wine than on, say, pure vodka. And three, the culture of drinking was different. Because of bacteria, because of the difficulty of getting clean water...and because stored juices ferment naturally with no cooling mechanism...alcohol was the main drink of the medieval and classical worlds. Rather low alcohol content, however. They often mixed it with their water to kill off the bacteria in the water.

But in the US, it just isnt done right, the whole context is different. And yes the "ideal" situation would be to "change people's minds" and "attitudes" so that people did it responsibly...but the fact is...they've tried that for decades and it hasnt worked and 100000 people a year are still dying so..."if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out"...

America as a whole cant be trusted with alcohol, even if some individual Americans can. And you'd think they'd be willing to suck it up to save 100000 lives a year. That is not acceptable "collateral damage" just so that some people can get a buzz or "unwind"...

Follow the fold and stray no more
Stray no more, stray no more.
Put down the bottle and we'll say no more
Follow, follow, the fold.
Before you take another swallow!
Follow the fold and stray no more
Stray no more, stray no more.
Tear up your poker deck and play no more.
Follow, follow, the fold.
To the meadows, where the sun shines
Out of the darkness
And the cold.
And the pain and shame in which you wallow.
Follow the fold and stray no more
Stray no more, stray no more.
If you're a sinner and you pray no more
Follow, follow, the fold.

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#39
Its simple really,

One smokes weed to get high, if not and it is for medicinal use thats okay.
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#40
I can get a terrific buzz on wine.  Especially the kind that comes in a box.

Just sayin'.

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