The Global Warming Fraud
(12-20-2019, 01:34 PM)Stanis Wrote: You, apparently, have no credentials in the field. Have you ever taken a graduate level class in climate science? Any class at all? Until you have put in the necessary work to understand the background material, why should anyone take you seriously?

You first.
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Since, Stanis, I see no response to my challenge, allow me to cite, one of the many true experts in the field of atmospheric science on the subject of climate change:

Richard Lindzen Wrote:"What historians will definitely wonder in future centuries is how deeply flawed logic, obscured by shrewd and unrelenting propaganda, actually enabled a coalition of powerful special interests to convince nearly everyone in the world that CO2 from human industry was a dangerous, planet-destroying toxin. It will be remembered as the greatest mass delusion in the history of the world--that CO2, the life of plants, was considered for a time, to be a deadly poison."
--On his retirement, where he was an Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), a position he held from 1983 until his retirement in 2013. He is the Distinguished Senior Fellow at the Cato Institute 's Center for the Study of Science.

[Ed. to add informative article about; Richard Siegmund Lindzen is an American atmospheric physicist known for his work in the dynamics of the middle atmosphere, atmospheric tides, and ozone photochemistry. He has published more than 200 scientific papers and books. :] 

Link to informative Article on Richard Lindzen

Again, don't take MY word for it, I never have asked for that. Take the words of scores of true experts, cited on these threads, many of them, all of whom would be in agreement with this distinguished scientist, by their own stated statements and videos.

Ball is in your court. If you have credentials or data to refute his claim, I await your illumination.
One should have an open mind; open enough that things get in, but not so open that everything falls out
Art Bell
 
The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous that he cannot believe it exists.
J Edgar Hoover

 
I don't need a good memory, because I always tell the truth.
Jessie Ventura

 
Its no wonder truth is stranger than fiction.
Fiction has to make sense
Mark Twain

If history doesn't repeat itself, it sure does rhyme.
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(12-21-2019, 12:36 PM)Zedta Wrote: Since, Stanis, I see no response to my challenge, allow me to cite, one of the many true experts in the field of atmospheric science on the subject of climate change:

Richard Lindzen Wrote:...

Again, don't take MY word for it, I never have asked for that. Take the words of scores of true experts, cited on these threads, many of them, all of whom would be in agreement with this distinguished scientist, by their own stated statements and videos.

Ball is in your court. If you have credentials or data to refute his claim, I await your illumination.

"Take the words of true experts" you advise. 

Here are the words of a bunch of experts:
Quote:It has come to our attention that our colleague Richard Lindzen, Professor Emeritus at MIT, has sent you a letter urging you to withdraw from the UN climate convention, claiming that actions with respect to global climate are not scientifically justified.

As his colleagues at MIT in the Program in Atmospheres, Oceans and Climate, all of whom are actively involved in understanding climate, we write to make it clear that this is not a view shared by us, or by the overwhelming majority of other scientists who have devoted their professional lives to careful study of climate science.

The risks to the Earth system associated with increasing levels of carbon dioxide are almost universally agreed by climate scientists to be real ones. These include, but are not limited to, seal level rise, ocean acidification, and increase in extreme flooding and droughts, ....

We hope this information is helpful to you in evaluating the true balance of expert opinion on this important issue.

Wth Respect,

The faculty of the MIT program in Atmospheres, Oceans and Climate

http://climate-science.mit.edu/news/feat...dent-trump
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(09-20-2019, 11:20 PM)Zedta Wrote: Well made the previous post earlier today and then later saw this little nugget on Breitbart News Network:



Breitbart News Network Wrote:Link to Original Article Page 

Nolte: Climate 'Experts' Are 0-41 with Their Doomsday Predictions
John Nolte


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6:03

For more than 50 years Climate Alarmists in the scientific community and environmental movement have not gotten even one prediction correct, but they do have a perfect record of getting 41 predictions wrong.

In other words, on at least 41 occasions, these so-called experts have predicted some terrible environmental catastrophe was imminent … and it never happened.
And not once — not even once! — have these alarmists had one of their predictions come true.

Think about that… the so-called experts are 0-41 with their predictions, but those of us who are skeptical of “expert” prediction number 42, the one that says that if we don’t immediately convert to socialism and allow Alexandria Ocasio-Crazy to control and organize our lives, the planet will become uninhabitable.

Why would any sane person listen to someone with a 0-41 record?

Why would we completely restructure our economy and sacrifice our personal freedom for “experts” who are 0-41, who have never once gotten it right?

If you had an investment counselor who steered you wrong 41times, would you hang in there for number 42?

Of course not. You’d fire him after failed prediction two or three.

And if that’s not crazy enough, the latest ploy is to trot out a 16-year-old girt to spread prediction number 42, because it is so much more credible that way.

Sometimes you just have to sit back and laugh.

Anyway, I want you to have the data, so go ahead and print this out in advance of Thanksgiving dinner with your obnoxious Millennial nephew.

LIST OF DOOMSDAY PREDICTIONS CLIMATE ALARMIST GOT RIGHT
NONE.
ZIP.
ZERO.
NADA.
BLANK
DONUT HOLE
NIL.
NOTHING.
VOID.
ZILCH.

LIST OF DOOMSDAY PREDICTIONS THE CLIMATE ALARMIST GOT WRONG
Here is the source for numbers 1-27. As you will see, the individual sources are not crackpots, but scientific studies and media reports on “expert” predictions. The sources for numbers 28-41 are linked individually.

  1. 1967: Dire Famine Forecast By 1975
  2. 1969: Everyone Will Disappear In a Cloud Of Blue Steam By 1989 (1969)
  3. 1970: Ice Age By 2000
  4. 1970: America Subject to Water Rationing By 1974 and Food Rationing By 1980
  5. 1971: New Ice Age Coming By 2020 or 2030
  6. 1972: New Ice Age By 2070
  7. 1974: Space Satellites Show New Ice Age Coming Fast
  8. 1974: Another Ice Age?
  9. 1974: Ozone Depletion a ‘Great Peril to Life
  10. 1976: Scientific Consensus Planet Cooling, Famines imminent
  11. 1980: Acid Rain Kills Life In Lakes
  12. 1978: No End in Sight to 30-Year Cooling Trend
  13. 1988: Regional Droughts (that never happened) in 1990s
  14. 1988: Temperatures in DC Will Hit Record Highs
  15. 1988: Maldive Islands will Be Underwater by 2018 (they’re not)
  16. 1989: Rising Sea Levels will Obliterate Nations if Nothing Done by 2000
  17. 1989: New York City’s West Side Highway Underwater by 2019 (it’s not)
  18. 2000: Children Won’t Know what Snow Is
  19. 2002: Famine In 10 Years If We Don’t Give Up Eating Fish, Meat, and Dairy
  20. 2004: Britain will Be Siberia by 2024
  21. 2008: Arctic will Be Ice Free by 2018
  22. 2008: Climate Genius Al Gore Predicts Ice-Free Arctic by 2013
  23. 2009: Climate Genius Prince Charles Says we Have 96 Months to Save World
  24. 2009: UK Prime Minister Says 50 Days to ‘Save The Planet From Catastrophe’
  25. 2009: Climate Genius Al Gore Moves 2013 Prediction of Ice-Free Arctic to 2014
  26. 2013: Arctic Ice-Free by 2015
  27. 2014: Only 500 Days Before ‘Climate Chaos’
  28. 1968: Overpopulation Will Spread Worldwide
  29. 1970: World Will Use Up All its Natural Resources
  30. 1966: Oil Gone in Ten Years
  31. 1972: Oil Depleted in 20 Years
  32. 1977: Department of Energy Says Oil will Peak in 90s
  33. 1980: Peak Oil In 2000
  34. 1996: Peak Oil in 2020
  35. 2002: Peak Oil in 2010
  36. 2006: Super Hurricanes!
  37. 2005 : Manhattan Underwater by 2015
  38. 1970: Urban Citizens Will Require Gas Masks by 1985
  39. 1970: Nitrogen buildup Will Make All Land Unusable
  40. 1970: Decaying Pollution Will Kill all the Fish
  41. 1970s: Killer Bees!
Sorry, Experts… Sorry, Scientific Consensus… Only a fool comes running for the 42nd cry of wolf.

Don’t litter, be kind to animals, recycling’s for suckers (it’s all going to end up in the ground eventually), so stop feeling guilty… Go out there and embrace all the bounty that comes with being a 21st century American — you know, like Obama, who says he believes in Global Warming with his mouth but proves he doesn’t with the $15 million he just spent on oceanfront that we’re told is doomed to flooding.

This piece has been updated to correct a duplicate posting and add another hoax prediction.  

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Stanis,

Perhaps the reason President Trump ignored these MIT sycophants you posted, was because he read this article I posted a while back?

Just wondering...
One should have an open mind; open enough that things get in, but not so open that everything falls out
Art Bell
 
The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous that he cannot believe it exists.
J Edgar Hoover

 
I don't need a good memory, because I always tell the truth.
Jessie Ventura

 
Its no wonder truth is stranger than fiction.
Fiction has to make sense
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If history doesn't repeat itself, it sure does rhyme.
Mark Twain
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After all, Lindzen musta retired because the nutballs took over the place. They were looking for funding for their school from the UN and he couldn't stomach that sell out, that's my bet. The whole Climate thing was made up in the 70s by Ted Turner and the Club of Rome. It was a hoax and big money went in the mix and got some 'scientists' to fudge data and get the ball rolling. The 'Hockey Stick' has been proven to be hoaxed and they just keep carrying the ball. The Globe is COOLING and it is the Sun that is the driver. The ice core samples have proven that CO2 has no effect on climate. In those samples, every time, CO2 rise takes place AFTER the temperature rises, NOT before.
Chek the data I've posted, its all in there.
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(12-22-2019, 07:39 PM)Zedta Wrote:
After all, Lindzen musta retired because the nutballs took over the place.....

So you reject the majority of experts over that of a few. I suppose only those who agree with your predetermined view are "true experts".

Look up the "no true Scotsman" fallacy.

As for your alleged 41 "false" predictions, in the 1970s, the vast majority of scientists were predicting global warming. And history has shown they were correct. Most of the "41" are media hype, not science.
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(12-23-2019, 03:30 PM)Stanis Wrote: So you reject the majority of experts over that of a few. I suppose only those who agree with your predetermined view are "true experts".

Look up the "no true Scotsman" fallacy.

As for your alleged 41 "false" predictions, in the 1970s, the vast majority of scientists were predicting global warming. And history has shown they were correct. Most of the "41" are media hype, not science.
Actually, the numbers of 'scientists' is immaterial, its the data and from other than just 'some' (those like the MIT crowd, who's cushy chairs and expensive labs depend on the bucks they get from Global Warming progenitors) of the 'atmospheric sciences' that is the rub. If science is true, it is true when reported by other scientific disciplines. When you study geology and the ice core samples, the CO2 argument falls apart, cannot be proved over MANY millennia of core samples, nor can you use astronomy to prove that man's increasing (By the way CO2 levels currently are lower than in quite a few decades) the CO2 and causing weather changes on the earth, because there are significant weather changes on every planet we have a probe gathering data on at other planets in this solar system.

You can't prove it by the data from the Solar Physicists, which have been predicting a solar minimum to challenge the depth of the Marauder Minimum, when we had the last mini-ice age and, by the way, since I was alive and an adult in the 70s, I actually recall the 'predictions' in Newsweek, et al, and it was of a coming ICE AGE, not global warming. As I noted, as for Global Warming; that didn't become a 'thing' until Ted Turner and the Club of Rome decided it was a good way to leverage money from the prosperous countries and let the not so prosperous pump out all the CO2 they want.

If amounts matter, the USA is the lowest producer of C02, per capita on the planet, yet the Paris Accords would have made us pay the most, bad idea, bad business, Trump made the right decision. Don't forget, the Global Warming 'thing' kinda petered out and lost steam, because it wasn't holding true, so they switched to the Global Climate Change mantra, a lot more nebulous a term and easier to manage in marketing it to the masses, but just as false in a cause. Man is not THAT much of an influence on the weather, unless you want to include in the mix the weather modification efforts that have been under development since just before the turn of the 19th century and accelerating as we get towards the end of the 20th, when during the Viet Nam War, the USAF had a whole wing of F4s fully devoted to changing the weather patterns over the war zones. To more current times when not only the USA, but a number of other countries have HAARP systems which can significantly change weather patterns and lets not forget that for at least 16 years, there have been weather modifications, supported by the likes of your friends at MIT, mucking with the upper atmosphere by spraying Boron and Aluminum salts into the atmosphere by many millions of tons.

CO2 is truly the least of our problems.

As for your "Scotsman" analogy, I prefer Occam's Razor, to wit: "Occam's razor says that when presented with competing hypotheses that make the same predictions, one should select the solution with the fewest assumptions, and it is not meant to be a way of choosing between hypotheses that make different predictions."

IT IS THE SUN!! Not some CO2/man hocus pokus!!
One should have an open mind; open enough that things get in, but not so open that everything falls out
Art Bell
 
The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous that he cannot believe it exists.
J Edgar Hoover

 
I don't need a good memory, because I always tell the truth.
Jessie Ventura

 
Its no wonder truth is stranger than fiction.
Fiction has to make sense
Mark Twain

If history doesn't repeat itself, it sure does rhyme.
Mark Twain
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(12-23-2019, 04:27 PM)Zedta Wrote:
(12-23-2019, 03:30 PM)Stanis Wrote: So you reject the majority of experts over that of a few. I suppose only those who agree with your predetermined view are "true experts".

Look up the "no true Scotsman" fallacy.

As for your alleged 41 "false" predictions, in the 1970s, the vast majority of scientists were predicting global warming. And history has shown they were correct. Most of the "41" are media hype, not science.
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If amounts matter, the USA is the lowest producer of C02, per capita on the planet, yet the Paris Accords would have made us pay the most, bad idea, bad business, Trump made the right decision.
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Data is apparently not your strong point. Your post is full of misinformation - almost nothing is right.

Just picking this one. No, the USA is NOT the lowest per capita producer of CO2. Even China is lower (much higher population). USA is not the absolute highest per capita, but it's near the top of the list. Those with higher per capita production are mostly the OPEC countries - who in addition to having cheap domestic gasoline, tend to burn off natural gas as a waste product.
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(12-23-2019, 08:23 PM)Stanis Wrote: Data is apparently not your strong point. Your post is full of misinformation - almost nothing is right.

Just picking this one. No, the USA is NOT the lowest per capita producer of CO2. Even China is lower (much higher population). USA is not the absolute highest per capita, but it's near the top of the list. Those with higher per capita production are mostly the OPEC countries - who in addition to having cheap domestic gasoline, tend to burn off natural gas as a waste product.
You are correct on this one, I meant that we have decreased our output more than any other country.

None the less, CO2 output is nonsensical to atmospheric effects as some seem to weigh it.

Next?
One should have an open mind; open enough that things get in, but not so open that everything falls out
Art Bell
 
The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous that he cannot believe it exists.
J Edgar Hoover

 
I don't need a good memory, because I always tell the truth.
Jessie Ventura

 
Its no wonder truth is stranger than fiction.
Fiction has to make sense
Mark Twain

If history doesn't repeat itself, it sure does rhyme.
Mark Twain
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(12-23-2019, 04:27 PM)Zedta Wrote: When you study geology and the ice core samples, the CO2 argument falls apart, cannot be proved over MANY millennia of core samples, nor can you use astronomy to prove that man's increasing

Core samples show the previous peak CO2 level was about 300,000 years ago. Earth is well above that level now.

Quote:(By the way CO2 levels currently are lower than in quite a few decades) 

Nonsense.

Quote:the CO2 and causing weather changes on the earth, because there are significant weather changes on every planet we have a probe gathering data on at other planets in this solar system. 

Weather changes on a daily basisAtmospheric trends like CO2 are typically averaged over a year.
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