Refusing vaccines
#11
One of the possible side effects of each and every vaccine is death. I think that is a moral enough reason to avoid them.

The politics of the issue also makes a strong case for the immorality of the procedure. The same people who license and mandate them are making big bucks off of them. It is a huge industry fueled by collusion and conflict of interest- not children's health.

I recommend the  NVIC website. Barbara Loe Fisher is a tireless advocate for vaccine safety. COG For Life is good as far as keeping tabs on fetal tissue in vaccines, but the last time I looked they weren't terribly concerned about safety. Mercola.com is also a good online resource. I can also recommend some books, but I would have to look them up... I wrote a research paper on this subject 2 or 3 years ago. Michael Belkin's book is exceptionally well researched and there is a series of investigative articles by Dan Olmstead that will open the eyes of anyone who cares to see.


S.A.G. ~ Kathy ~ Sanguine-choleric. Have fun...or else.

Adoramus te, Christe, et benedicimus tibi, quia per sanctam crucem tuam redemisti mundum.
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#12
introibo Wrote:

I have nine kids.

No. 1 did not have hepatits vaccine.

Nos. 2 and 3 had it, as I didn't know much about the vaccine.

The rest don't have it. I refused it because the vaccine was known to cause problems and was banned in some European countries. Plus, it's basically a disease that is transmitted sexually or through intravenous drug use. Don't think babies need this....

Guess which two of my kids have asthma? Coincidence?

Christina


3 of my 4 have asthma (we don't know about baby M yet) and none of them have been vaccinated at all.

I'd like the kids to get chicken pox, but I don't know anyone whose kids have it.
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ErinIsNotNice Wrote:
introibo Wrote:I have nine kids.
No. 1 did not have hepatits vaccine.
Nos. 2 and 3 had it, as I didn't know much about the vaccine.
The rest don't have it. I refused it because the vaccine was known to cause problems and was banned in some European countries. Plus, it's basically a disease that is transmitted sexually or through intravenous drug use. Don't think babies need this....

Guess which two of my kids have asthma? Coincidence?

Christina

3 of my 4 have asthma (we don't know about baby M yet) and none of them have been vaccinated at all.

I'd like the kids to get chicken pox, but I don't know anyone whose kids have it.
When all of mine had the the chicken pox, the nurse at our peds office brought her daughter over to play.
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#14
More problems with Merck.  Why they are allowed to have a virtual monopoly is another story in itself.
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#15
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One of the possible side effects of each and every vaccine is death. I think that is a moral enough reason to avoid them.

I'm afraid this argument just doesn't fly with me. One of the things that can happen to someone driving a car is death. When I underwent a necessary surgery at one point in my life I was informed that a possible effect of the surgery was death. A possible side effect of eating a peanut for some people is death. :shrug:
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#16
ResiduumRevertetur Wrote:

When all of mine had the the chicken pox, the nurse at our peds office brought her daughter over to play.




My mother did that playgroup thing to me when I was six and the neighbor kid had chicken pox. I ended up getting them from him.


Eight years later, I thought I had a really weird zit and went to pop it but my grandmother stopped me. She told my mother I had the chicken pox again. My mom refused to believe her and sent me to school where I was promptly sent back home by the school nurse until the pox cleared up.


Funny thing is my nephew has had them twice too. The first time he got the chicken pox vaccine; he broke out with the pox sores. Then he still ended up with the chicken pox a year later. The second time he had them was much, much worse.

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#17
GemmaGalgani Wrote:
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One of the possible side effects of each and every vaccine is death. I think that is a moral enough reason to avoid them.

I'm afraid this argument just doesn't fly with me. One of the things that can happen to someone driving a car is death. When I underwent a necessary surgery at one point in my life I was informed that a possible effect of the surgery was death. A possible side effect of eating a peanut for some people is death. :shrug:

We're all going to die, it's true. But the driving and peanut butter eating aren't medical interventions. Your surgery was, but you were given the right of informed consent and the choice to opt out, plus if your doctor screwed up you or your survivors would have the option of justice in the courts. How does that compare with forced vaccination? There is no choice, no informed consent, and no compensation for injury through the normal venues. Vaccine injured victims/parents have to sue the Secretary of Health and Human Services and go to a special vaccination court funded by an act of Congress to address the huge problem of injury and death. The process is painfully slow, on purpose. Dead victims cost less.

If you think I'm wrong about any of this, please feel free to set me straight. It has been about three years since I researched the topic. I am still very interested, but also a bit too busy to keep up to the minute. The last couple of things I read were that the government has finally admitted that there is a link between vaccines and autism as well as admitting that there is an association between vaccines and infant death. I hope parents are getting their babies baptized in the delivery room!
S.A.G. ~ Kathy ~ Sanguine-choleric. Have fun...or else.

Adoramus te, Christe, et benedicimus tibi, quia per sanctam crucem tuam redemisti mundum.
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#18
ErinIsNotNice Wrote:
introibo Wrote:

I have nine kids.

No. 1 did not have hepatits vaccine.

Nos. 2 and 3 had it, as I didn't know much about the vaccine.

The rest don't have it. I refused it because the vaccine was known to cause problems and was banned in some European countries. Plus, it's basically a disease that is transmitted sexually or through intravenous drug use. Don't think babies need this....

Guess which two of my kids have asthma? Coincidence?

Christina


3 of my 4 have asthma (we don't know about baby M yet) and none of them have been vaccinated at all.

I'd like the kids to get chicken pox, but I don't know anyone whose kids have it.

I think the rise in asthma can be associated with vaccination, even in the unvaccinated population. First, we need a preliminary understanding of a couple of the things that make vaccines such an uncertain intervention. One is that no one studies a control group. Two is that vaccines disrupt normal disease cycles, and a third factor in the mix is that the normal lines of defense against a virus are by-passed- the membranes of the nose and mouth are teeming with cells designed to alert our immune systems into action at the first of invaders.

When the first sign of the invasion is introduced via injection rather than inhalation, the normal immune response is interrupted and redirected, which is a likely cause of severe reactions. One of my older kids had one of the most common reactions- high-pitched screaming. This is caused by swelling in the brain--- something they don't bother to tell you before injecting the noxious cocktail into infants, but I digress.

Vaccines don't eradicate disease, but they do alter the normal disease cycle, creating a drop in infections. This affects both the vaccinated and unvaccinated child who each remain unexposed to the viruses they would normally encounter through inhalation every few years. Their immune systems never "learn" to distinguish between an irritant and a virus, and they also fail to learn how to fight an illness through the first line of defense. In other words, through vaccines, we traded acute illnesses, such as measles, for chronic illnesses, such as asthma and allergies.

I'm not a health professional, so this is simply my understanding of the theory that some medical experts have put forward to explain the increase in chronic diseases. The number of children afflicted actually rises with the increase in the number of vaccines. There is an real name for this theory. I'll post it as soon as I remember it.
S.A.G. ~ Kathy ~ Sanguine-choleric. Have fun...or else.

Adoramus te, Christe, et benedicimus tibi, quia per sanctam crucem tuam redemisti mundum.
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AdoramusTeChriste Wrote:I think the rise in asthma can be associated with vaccination, even in the unvaccinated population. First, we need a preliminary understanding of a couple of the things that make vaccines such an uncertain intervention. One is that no one studies a control group.

This is simply not true. I go to school in Pittsburgh, so we talk about the Salk vaccine for polio ad nauseum. For my nursing research class, we tore apart the whole process for the vaccine testing. It was the largest medical study in the country (1954), a double-blind control study with 1.8 million children. This means that half got the vaccine, and half did not (the control group), and nobody knew which was which until the study was over. Others that do not have a formal group of participants for "control" compare the disease rates of their participants, which mirror the general population as closely as possible, to that of the population at large. That's the biggest "control" group you're ever going to get.

Quote: Two is that vaccines disrupt normal disease cycles, and a third factor in the mix is that the normal lines of defense against a virus are by-passed- the membranes of the nose and mouth are teeming with cells designed to alert our immune systems into action at the first of invaders.

When the first sign of the invasion is introduced via injection rather than inhalation, the normal immune response is interrupted and redirected, which is a likely cause of severe reactions. One of my older kids had one of the most common reactions- high-pitched screaming. This is caused by swelling in the brain--- something they don't bother to tell you before injecting the noxious cocktail into infants, but I digress.

Vaccines don't eradicate disease, but they do alter the normal disease cycle, creating a drop in infections. This affects both the vaccinated and unvaccinated child who each remain unexposed to the viruses they would normally encounter through inhalation every few years. Their immune systems never "learn" to distinguish between an irritant and a virus, and they also fail to learn how to fight an illness through the first line of defense. In other words, through vaccines, we traded acute illnesses, such as measles, for chronic illnesses, such as asthma and allergies.

This may or may not be true; I don't know. But children don't die from allergies and asthma. And usually they outgrow the asthma. They can, however, die from measles, diphtheria, rubella, et al. It wasn't unusual. I think saving thousands of children's lives is a fair trade.
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#20
SmileBugMG Wrote:But children don't die from allergies and asthma.

That is simply not true. 
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