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shirhamalot Wrote:To clarify, vegans abstain not only from red meat, poultry and fish, but also from all dairy products and eggs, and sometimes products like yeast as well. I have also been a vegan, and like Paloma, concluded that it is structurally unhealthy. For example, B12 does not naturally occur in any plant sources; all vegans get it in enriched milks or other supplements. A Christian vegan could perhaps argue that B12 was available in plants before the Fall, or something, but that seems like a stretch to me. God wouldn't demand the impossible, so veganism can't be ideal.

A note about B12.  B12 is not made/synthesized by any animal (human or non-human).  B12 is the result of bacterial digestion.  The bacteria that make B12 live in the soil.  B12 is then ingested by ruminant animals (sheep, cows, etc), used by their bodies and then stored in muscle tissue and secreted in milk.

It is theorized that our diets in the days before being hyper-sensitive about cleaning our vegetables we ingested vitamin B12 in some of the dirt that still clung to the vegetable matter we ate.  Just like cows, sheep, deer, etc.

With modern farming techniques that rely on chemically treated soil there are fewer vitamin B12 producing bacteria.  As a result it is believed that B12 levels in factory farmed meats (particularly since these animals rarely graze any more) are declining.  Many commercial animals feeds contain B12 supplementation.

So in effect, in the B12 argument, the animal whose flesh you eat is only the middle man for vitamin B12.

Supplementation with B12 is really not any  more unnatural than giving the supplements to the cows, chickens, etc and then eating them.

(Edited to add - I am not a vegan so I'm not defending my personal eating habits.  Just pointing out that B12 is not "naturally found" in any animal as in the animal makes their own.  All animals must obtain B12 from external sources, in other words, bacteria.)
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