Aspergers and ADHD
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(07-27-2009, 06:16 AM)voxpopulisuxx Wrote: All teenagers are by nature self centered, my son is also narcissusistic, and like you haughty, I have never worried about his worldly success... I know he'll be set to fend for himself..... I fear for his faith (remember rosarium Parents do have special  God given rights over their children)
Yes, of course, but NT teenagers are quite different. They are very socially minded and it is hard for a teenager with AS to be around them no matter how they are.

Quote:You assume other people are wrong for finding something wrong with the way AS peeps treat others...I say to those with AS ...With great power comes great responsability. I'll clarify l8r
Well, if they get bitten by radioactive spiders, they will hopefully follow you advice :)

(07-27-2009, 08:36 AM)Satori Wrote: So the only problem with Asperger's is other people, eh? Isn't that the way it is with everyone -- we're fine, it's everybody else who's the problem because they make us lose our temper/think lustful thoughts/keep us from getting what we want, etc.? This attitude is not only untrue, it is extremely ungrateful toward the parents of Asperger's kids, who from what I can make out go through hell trying to understand and help their kids. And unfair to the siblings, probably, who lose out on their parents' attention and time because of the different brother or sister.
Dr. Tony Atwood, a prominent doctor in the field and specialises in Asperger's, said that. Just because I said it it gets a negative reaction...

It is true. The only problem with AS is that it causes social problems with NT and since there are more NTs than AS, the NT's rules are the way to go. It is a fact. A "society" of people with AS would not have any problems, and a person with an NT personality would have "problems" because of a different social structure. It isn't a matter of blame or who is the "problem". The problem is not found in individuals.

Yes, parents have a very hard time. I've seen them in tears trying to understand their children. They have come to me (as an adult) for help. I know of their struggles...also, I was there at one point. The problem is lack of knowledge and understanding. It goes both ways. If a person with AS has trouble communicating with NTs, then an NT will have the same trouble communicating with AS. A person with AS can learn (obviously) and adapt, but this takes a certain level of intellectual ability and most imporantly, a lot of time. A person with AS by oneself will need a long time to learn and mature to the point where the ages 1-18 are mostly wasted. I do not believe this has to be. It is only wasted because everyone starts more or less from scratch. If I could go back, there are  lot of things I could explain to myself to help me during that time period. Seeing other people struggle with similiar situations, both parents and children, I have come to think that it is AS's fault this problem exists. It is AS's fault that few who are older and more experienced have tried to help the others. We and our families all go through 20 years of hardship and collect a lot of experience and knowledge and then reach a level where things are "ok", and then we clam up and don't tell anyone else what we have learned.

Quote:It's one thing to ask for people to try to be understanding and accepting of people with Asperger's and see their gifts.
One doesn't have to be accepting, just not intrusive. No one faults a foreigner for not speaking English well (I'm an American), no one faults a blind man for not seeing, no one faults a tall person for not being comfortable in some cars, why can't other people realise that some people are not the same when it comes to personal communication? Actually, almost everyone does to some degree, it is society as a whole which cannot (which makes sense).

Quote:It's another to present them as (this seems to be your implication) almost a separate race, superior and self-sufficient. It is offensive and also, I think, unrealistic.
I didn't say that, which you acknowledge, so there is no reason to bring that up, eh?

I don't know anyone who has such beliefs and no one here as shown them. My statements about myself are possibly strongly worded because they are about me. I'm sorry if I don't bow down and say "I'm just a person with AS and totally pathetic". There is no difference between people with an AS personality and a person with an NT personality except in socialisation.

Quote:If there's no problem with Aspies except those mean, dull normals, how come so many of them can't even take care of themselves without significant help from their "normal" families and institutions? It can't all be because of a society that doesn't understand them.
In what way "take care of themselves"? I know of no widespread institutional care for people with AS so perhaps you are confusing AS with something else? Most people with AS can take care of themselves just fine and can succeed in many fields. Many also don't go as far as they are capable because of problems which arise during life related to their personality though.

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