Aspergers and ADHD
(07-27-2009, 02:33 PM)Satori Wrote: I'm sorry, but although I understand the example given, I'm not convinced that this describes the situation between "NT" and "AS" people. The desire for human companionship and the ability to communicate with other people are very important parts of being human; they aren't just extra frills that most people have, they have contributed to the survival of the human race as a whole. Of course they are traits that vary to some degree, but if you have people who are so different in this way that they need a name for their condition, that's a real problem for them, and not just because they live in a world dominated by people who aren't like them. It might not be a big problem in modern Western society, but imagine AS people trying to survive in a "primitive" situation where you need to rely on the goodwill of others and on having a family. I also can't see how people with aspie traits would be inclined to clothe and procure food for themselves if they didn't have an "NT" to teach them of the necessity of doing so and how it is to be done. This may be a misunderstanding of how these traits play out in real life, but if someone is truly obsessed with a narrow category of interests and engages in repetitive, ritualistic behavior and doesn't react well to change, I don't see how they would adapt very well to independent living without a lot of specialized help from people who don't have that problem.

This is not to say that AS people are inferior overall, at fault, or have nothing special to offer the world.

That is rather demeaning...people with AS have families and can care for themselves just fine.

The diagnostic criteria is just that. A diagnostic criteria. That is the danger of the DSM...

People with AS aren't obsessed with anything. I have skill and knowledge of programming computers, studying other languages, fixing electronic things, fixing computers, making rosaries, ancient history, etc.

There is no characteristic of AS which is not found in NTs. Do not NTs have collections and habits? Most of the descriptions of behavior is a result of AS reacting to the world. How would you (presumably NT) react to a world where everyone doesn't quite communicate the same way you do? An NT would have drastically worse reactions to such a society because your social lives are more complex and more important. People with AS almost always have some sort of depression or anxiety especially when they are teenagers. If a different world can cause people who are relative not social to such problems, how would a person who needed socialising react?

Also, those diagnostic criteria describe the behavior of AS in an NT world when it is not known. I know a person who has AS, but no one ever addressed it, and he grew up without any assistance. He has a master's degree in physics, lives alone and has a good job (although, not related to his academic study). I don't know if he knows about AS, but he seems happy enough now (he wasn't always I hear) so it doesn't matter. He never had someone telling him how society works. He never had someone helping him deal with emotions. He also fulfills those criteria fully. That is the danger of using them alone without training or knowledge.

If you want a real life example of AS, imagine a computer geek with no significant social life. While the characteristics of AS are not unique, you'll find them strongly in the fields of computers and academia (probably other places too). The absent minded professor, the walking encyclopedia, etc are all stereotypes of AS.

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Aspergers and ADHD - by VoxClamantis - 08-22-2008, 05:53 AM
Aspergers and ADHD - by kjvail - 08-22-2008, 09:17 AM
Aspergers and ADHD - by DarkKnight - 08-22-2008, 10:37 AM
Aspergers and ADHD - by britmum - 09-01-2008, 10:45 PM
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Aspergers and ADHD - by kjvail - 09-02-2008, 08:08 AM
Aspergers and ADHD - by DarkKnight - 09-02-2008, 10:21 AM
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Aspergers and ADHD - by DarkKnight - 09-02-2008, 10:43 AM
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