One more Gaza thread...
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DeusVult Wrote:
ggreg Wrote:They are only being set upon with the same violence which they've historically used on every land they've conquored.

...they can't justifyably complain when they die by the sword too.

...I can see how Tibetan monks or Quakers can complain about violence being used against them, but Muslims?  Give me a break.

Yes, those dead Muslim Palestinian children, over 200 of them in 2 weeks, certainly got what was coming to them...

How anyone, especially Catholics, can show any ounce of support for what Israel is doing is disgusting. This isn't just part of war. It is total war, and it is an abomination.

The idea that Muslims have no right to "complain about violence being used against them" is absolutely horrifying.

Lets imagine for a moment that X subscribes to the idea that America has a duty as the police of the world and that unjust wars for democracy and imperial gain are legitimate and necessary. Being most likely an American of the red-blooded Republican/neocon variety, this is something "enshrined in their culture", as you say. If X has committed no violent crime and are guilty only of persisting in this error, does X have the right to "justifyably complain when they die by the sword"?

Please do not look at innocent civilians as anything other than innocent civilians. Every soul is infinitely valuable. If innocent Catholic civilians were being slaughtered, it would be equally evil.

That was very well put DeusVult.

Actually, what ggreg is doing is the usual way in which people "justify" all manner of barbarous activity.  "We do it to 'them' because they would do it to us". 

Of course, how they define "them" is a big part of it. Some Muslims indisputably do barbarous things (as do some Christians, Jews, etc).  Therefore, people of that mindset have no sympathy for "them".  In taking that position, they become no better than the "them" that they claim to disdain so much.

I suppose that is why we have so many wars and killing - since the ones doing it/supporting it can always claim that the people being attacked would have done it to them, since they come from a society where people have done it in the past.
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One more Gaza thread... - by Historian - 01-10-2009, 05:17 PM
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