Render unto Ceasar?
#21
timoose Wrote:This is an opportunity for all of us. Let's go cheerfully to the camps. This is exactly the thing which will either wake up the rest or we become martyrs. This could be the action, or the blood of martyrs, that wakes us from our lethargic slothful spiritual malaise. Benedicamus Domino et Deo Gratias.
The True Christians martyrs certainly had a different attitude toward their governing authorities than is found in Trad circles. Obey, obey, obey. That is why they are termed martyrs. These early christian Martyrs never rebelled against the legitimate governing authority. These Martyrs were not political rebels but true witnesses to True Catholic doctrine. Most today look to every excuse to rebel against governing authorities. Problem is that the governing authorities are not persecuting you for your Catholic beliefs. They just hurt you in your temporal affairs.
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#22
HailGilbert Wrote:
DrBombay Wrote:
HailGilbert Wrote:
StrictCatholicGirl Wrote:
How many tax payers are there in the US? About 150 million? Out of those, how many are passionate pro-lifers? Passionate enough to refuse to pay their taxes? One half? One third? Let's just say that out of 150 million people, 5 million would refuse to pay their taxes, if everyone agreed to do it at the same time?
 I mean, you can't put 5 million people in jail. Or can you?

Answer: Yes, they can and are practicing now to do it.

Here is the latest report on this from California attorney Ellen Brown from the Canadian website Global Research:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=BRO20090122&articleId=11951

And do a Yahoo or Google search for "FEMA detention camps". It's said there are 800 built or being built to house all the so-called "dissidents" and Patriots. An American Gulag, so to speak.

Or maybe the camps are being built to house the future victims of hurricanes and other natural disasters so they don't have to live in un-air conditioned, malaria breeding football stadiums.

I know. What a wacky idea. That's crazy talk. :tinfoil:

I'm not in any way mentally ill or damaged, as you seem to allege, when I bring up the building of an American Gulag in our midst. Nor is this attorney.

Instead of a blanket condemnation with either insults or sarcasm, point out why we shouldn't be wary of these camps.
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HailGilbert Wrote:
devotedknuckles Wrote:
Quote:Holy Roman Emperor is Divinely Ordained and according to Saint Paul this Divinely Ordained Authority would last until the end of days

I don't get it. Wasn't the Holy Roman Empire founded in 800? How could St. Paul even write about its authority.

Something's fishy!

From reading all of Warning's past posts on this subject, including this one, I have  come to a conclusion about the gentleman. It pains me to say it, but I won't lie.

I conclude with sadness that it seems to me that Warning is mentally ill. Why?

1) Because of his monomaniacal obsession with the return of the Holy Roman Emperor

2) Because of his interpreting Dante's Divine Comedy in a manner that the majority of Dante scholars and others would reject as having no basis in either reality or Revelation.

I know and understand he will reject such a conclusion. But the evidence from his past posts has convinced me beyond a reasonable doubt that it is true. And I will ask Our Savior to heal him of his malady.


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#23
Credo Wrote:
DrBombay Wrote:The Constitution can be amended, and was. To claim that an amendment to the Constitution is illegal is odd. Very odd.

Take a guess when the 16th Amendment was passed? Christmas Eve, 1913, with barely a handful of senators around. If the representatives of the people aren't around, it's not legally binding on the people. It's passage was one of the shadiest chapters in American political history.

Also, only four states voted on the actual Amendment, 38 more voted on varying versions.

Once again: there is no law on the books that says one must pay Federal Income Tax.


Good luck convincing a federal judge of that.  Where do you think the federal government gets the money to pay the judge's salary?
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#24
HailGilbert Wrote:
DrBombay Wrote:
HailGilbert Wrote:
StrictCatholicGirl Wrote:
How many tax payers are there in the US? About 150 million? Out of those, how many are passionate pro-lifers? Passionate enough to refuse to pay their taxes? One half? One third? Let's just say that out of 150 million people, 5 million would refuse to pay their taxes, if everyone agreed to do it at the same time?
 I mean, you can't put 5 million people in jail. Or can you?

Answer: Yes, they can and are practicing now to do it.

Here is the latest report on this from California attorney Ellen Brown from the Canadian website Global Research:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=BRO20090122&articleId=11951

And do a Yahoo or Google search for "FEMA detention camps". It's said there are 800 built or being built to house all the so-called "dissidents" and Patriots. An American Gulag, so to speak.

Or maybe the camps are being built to house the future victims of hurricanes and other natural disasters so they don't have to live in un-air conditioned, malaria breeding football stadiums.

I know. What a wacky idea. That's crazy talk. :tinfoil:

I'm not in any way mentally ill or damaged, as you seem to allege, when I bring up the building of an American Gulag in our midst. Nor is this attorney.

Instead of a blanket condemnation with either insults or sarcasm, point out why we shouldn't be wary of these camps.

Come on, Gilbert. What is more likely. That FEMA camps are being constructed to house natural disaster refugees or to house political prisoners of the state? I mean, really. Take a deep breath.
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#25
DrBombay Wrote:
HailGilbert Wrote:
DrBombay Wrote:
HailGilbert Wrote:
StrictCatholicGirl Wrote:
How many tax payers are there in the US? About 150 million? Out of those, how many are passionate pro-lifers? Passionate enough to refuse to pay their taxes? One half? One third? Let's just say that out of 150 million people, 5 million would refuse to pay their taxes, if everyone agreed to do it at the same time?
 I mean, you can't put 5 million people in jail. Or can you?

Answer: Yes, they can and are practicing now to do it.

Here is the latest report on this from California attorney Ellen Brown from the Canadian website Global Research:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=BRO20090122&articleId=11951

And do a Yahoo or Google search for "FEMA detention camps". It's said there are 800 built or being built to house all the so-called "dissidents" and Patriots. An American Gulag, so to speak.

Or maybe the camps are being built to house the future victims of hurricanes and other natural disasters so they don't have to live in un-air conditioned, malaria breeding football stadiums.

I know. What a wacky idea. That's crazy talk. :tinfoil:

I'm not in any way mentally ill or damaged, as you seem to allege, when I bring up the building of an American Gulag in our midst. Nor is this attorney.

Instead of a blanket condemnation with either insults or sarcasm, point out why we shouldn't be wary of these camps.

Come on, Gilbert. What is more likely? That FEMA camps are being constructed to house natural disaster refugees or to house political prisoners of the state?

To house political prisoners of the State. And I ask you withdraw your allegation of mental illness on your part. Thank you.
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#26
warning Wrote:
HailGilbert Wrote:
DrBombay Wrote:
HailGilbert Wrote:
StrictCatholicGirl Wrote:
How many tax payers are there in the US? About 150 million? Out of those, how many are passionate pro-lifers? Passionate enough to refuse to pay their taxes? One half? One third? Let's just say that out of 150 million people, 5 million would refuse to pay their taxes, if everyone agreed to do it at the same time?
 I mean, you can't put 5 million people in jail. Or can you?

Answer: Yes, they can and are practicing now to do it.

Here is the latest report on this from California attorney Ellen Brown from the Canadian website Global Research:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=BRO20090122&articleId=11951

And do a Yahoo or Google search for "FEMA detention camps". It's said there are 800 built or being built to house all the so-called "dissidents" and Patriots. An American Gulag, so to speak.

Or maybe the camps are being built to house the future victims of hurricanes and other natural disasters so they don't have to live in un-air conditioned, malaria breeding football stadiums.

I know. What a wacky idea. That's crazy talk. :tinfoil:

I'm not in any way mentally ill or damaged, as you seem to allege, when I bring up the building of an American Gulag in our midst. Nor is this attorney.

Instead of a blanket condemnation with either insults or sarcasm, point out why we shouldn't be wary of these camps.
[Image: laff.gif]  what goes around.......
Dante vs. AQ, CFN, Remnant & Fatima Crusader 
 
HailGilbert Wrote:
devotedknuckles Wrote:
Quote:Holy Roman Emperor is Divinely Ordained and according to Saint Paul this Divinely Ordained Authority would last until the end of days

I don't get it. Wasn't the Holy Roman Empire founded in 800? How could St. Paul even write about its authority.

Something's fishy!

From reading all of Warning's past posts on this subject, including this one, I have  come to a conclusion about the gentleman. It pains me to say it, but I won't lie.

I conclude with sadness that it seems to me that Warning is mentally ill. Why?

1) Because of his monomaniacal obsession with the return of the Holy Roman Emperor

2) Because of his interpreting Dante's Divine Comedy in a manner that the majority of Dante scholars and others would reject as having no basis in either reality or Revelation.

I know and understand he will reject such a conclusion. But the evidence from his past posts has convinced me beyond a reasonable doubt that it is true. And I will ask Our Savior to heal him of his malady.


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No, in my case, it has no basis. In your case, it does. I'm still convinced of it.
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#27
spasiisochrani Wrote:Where do you think the federal government gets the money to pay the judge's salary?

The same place Federal judges received their pay from before 1913: legal revenue streams, legal taxes.
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#28
A priest once told me that it would be right to deny some taxes to the Govt. on account of the state funded abortions, but you would need to pay some tax for the good services that the Govt. offers.  I guess how much you don't pay is up to you. I don't know how that theory pans out, but it was good to hear a priest say that.

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#29
HailGilbert Wrote:
DrBombay Wrote:
HailGilbert Wrote:
DrBombay Wrote:
HailGilbert Wrote:
StrictCatholicGirl Wrote:
How many tax payers are there in the US? About 150 million? Out of those, how many are passionate pro-lifers? Passionate enough to refuse to pay their taxes? One half? One third? Let's just say that out of 150 million people, 5 million would refuse to pay their taxes, if everyone agreed to do it at the same time?
 I mean, you can't put 5 million people in jail. Or can you?

Answer: Yes, they can and are practicing now to do it.

Here is the latest report on this from California attorney Ellen Brown from the Canadian website Global Research:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=BRO20090122&articleId=11951

And do a Yahoo or Google search for "FEMA detention camps". It's said there are 800 built or being built to house all the so-called "dissidents" and Patriots. An American Gulag, so to speak.

Or maybe the camps are being built to house the future victims of hurricanes and other natural disasters so they don't have to live in un-air conditioned, malaria breeding football stadiums.

I know. What a wacky idea. That's crazy talk. :tinfoil:

I'm not in any way mentally ill or damaged, as you seem to allege, when I bring up the building of an American Gulag in our midst. Nor is this attorney.

Instead of a blanket condemnation with either insults or sarcasm, point out why we shouldn't be wary of these camps.

Come on, Gilbert. What is more likely? That FEMA camps are being constructed to house natural disaster refugees or to house political prisoners of the state?

To house political prisoners of the State. And I ask you withdraw your allegation of mental illness on your part. Thank you.

Nope. I was alleging I was mentally ill, not you. All that talk about FEMA building refugee camps for hurricane victims. I'm a total nut thinking stuff like that.

It's much more logical to believe that the jack-booted thugs are this close (THIS CLOSE I SAY!!!!) to rounding us all up and sending us to the ovens. I can see the logic of such a position, but can't quite bring myself to believe it. Please pray that the scales may fall from my eyes and I may come to the fullness of Truth.
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#30
Valentine Wrote:I don't know how that theory pans out, but it was good to hear a priest say that.

It must have been! Most of the clergy in this country are puppets of the government who so twist Romans 13 and associated verses that their flocks feel no compunction whatsoever as we march down the road to government domination.

By the way, services like roads and schools are paid from from local taxes which don't presumably have any role in funding immoral activity (though one could make a case against the Godless, socialist government school system, but that's another thread).
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