Ferrara on Lifting of SSPX Excommunications, Vatican II, and Williamson
#11
newschoolman Wrote:
Quote: Why should he?

Maybe there is more at stake than just his ego.   

Yes, indeed, there is much more at stake.
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#12
Maybe others are in control of the strings then the holy father! Ego has nothing to d with this. For you not to even see that betrays your lack of a spine. Ego is not the issue here. The issue is that what ever did happen to the Jews in wwII and i must admit the more they foam at the mouth about it the less im inclined to believe a word they spew has nothing to do with him being a bishop. God forbid you even get it!



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#13
Yes indeed allot more is at stake here.
Jewsh control of history and internal catholic affairs or..................................
you fill in the blank


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finegan Wrote:This theory is absurdly naive. And it demonstrates the garbage coming out of the Remnant and its writers these days. The international Jewish "community" and its fellow travelers in the liberal media would never be satisfied with a matter-of-fact statement of this sort. In fact, no apology from Bishop Williamson would ever suffice. The Jew's position: once a "holocaust denier, always a holocaust denier." Does anyone really believe the Jews "forgave" Mel Gibson after he apologized for his "anti-Jewish" remarks?

No, for the Jews, Bishop Williamson is merely a useful tool in this whole sordid affair. Their real target is the traditional Catholic faith.

The "Jews" will only be satisfied when the Church formally renounces Christ. Only then will this fanatic lot be appeased.
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#15
The details of the Holocaust/Shoa are not dogmas of the Faith which require ascent for valid and licit orders. You'd THINK it was though, by the actions of certain loopy curia members and hysterical 'trad' writers.

The Jews have had the Church by the short ones since Nostra Aetate. Long past time to tell our 'elder brothers' to go pound sand.

AND toss N.A. and the rest of that Council in the trash.  
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#16
"Maybe there is more at stake than just his ego."

Yeah, there is. It's the right to hold personal views that do not conflict with Catholic doctrine, but fly in the face of political correctness. That's my right as a baptized Catholic, and it's Bishop Williamson's, too.


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#17
newschoolman Wrote:I think Ferrara makes some good observations:

1) Only a sedevacantist would have problems recognizing the Magisterium since Piius XII and recognizing Vatican II as part of that Magisterium.

2) Bishop Williamson should simply recant (why not?).  Not only the Vatican -- but even Bishop Fellay seems to be demanding this.

There is no problem with number one. Clearly the problem has been that there is not clear assurance that some statements emanating from Vatican II are compatible with traditional doctrine. That these uncertain points have been exploited by the liberals demonstrates the need to have clarification. That clarification is absolutely necessary and required by Justice and Charity, even if the SSPX is not involved here.

As to number two, there is a major problem: It is a lie, and therefore it is an intrinsic evil.

Basic Moral Theology: One may not do evil that good may come from it.

It is manifestly impossible for Bishop Williamson to publish a lie about his beliefs on the subject to quell the itching ears of the Jews or any other group. It would be objectively a sin for the bishop to do this.

So, asking or demanding of him to commit a sin by "recanting" something which he believes to be true is not only impossible but itself sinful and despicable.

There is more than simply an opinion here which can be dispensed with (which the Bishop never should have shared in the first place). The fundamental virtue of Veracity is under attack here.

All of this, however, is very providential. It is very clear who stands in defense of the Pope and who does not. It is very clear who is more interested in standing up for Christian Virtue than political correctness.
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#18
finegan Wrote:"Maybe there is more at stake than just his ego."

Yeah, there is. It's the right to hold personal views that do not conflict with Catholic doctrine, but fly in the face of political correctness. That's my right as a baptized Catholic, and it's Bishop Williamson's, too.

I suppose he has a right to his views -- but nobody has an unlimited license to propogate errors.  There is no right to error, as such.  Furthermore, he does not have a right to use the status of Bishop to profess his views.
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#19
Bonifacio Wrote:The "Jews" will only be satisfied when the Church formally renounces Christ. Only then will this fanatic lot be appeased.
That is the bottom line. The SSPX had a deal to move forward after remission of excommunications with talks to clarify Vatican II. Jewish power has forced Rome to renege by demanding the SSPX first swallow man-centered Holocaust dogma as a test of religious faith.
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#20
MagisterMusicae Wrote:There is no problem with number one. Clearly the problem has been that there is not clear assurance that some statements emanating from Vatican II are compatible with traditional doctrine. That these uncertain points have been exploited by the liberals demonstrates the need to have clarification. That clarification is absolutely necessary and required by Justice and Charity, even if the SSPX is not involved here.

Allow me to give my own two cents here: it's not like the documents of Vatican II have been "hijacked" by some liberals to wreck havoc in the Church against the will of the Popes. In fact, the conciliar pontiffs themselves, the teaching authority of the Church, have interpreted and applied their authoritative interpretation of these documents in the life of the Church for more than 40 years now.

The Church is in a wreck because the loss of faith came from the Popes themselves, not just because there are heretic cardinals and bishops around to make deals with the enemy. The fundamental doctrinal talks to take place between Rome and the SSPX clearly need to address not only the ambiguities in the documents themselves but also their application in the life of the Church since the Council.
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