German Council Of Jews Welcomes Vatican About-Turn
#11
Michael G, my point was that (aside from the fact we all must believe all non-Catholics need to be converted) the things people get so mad about are a matter of personal opinion.  As far as I know we don't have to see ever single Jew as a murderer of Christ, but I certainly accept that the Jewish community was guilty of demanding Christ's crucifixion.  I'm not as worried about the deicide thing as some here, and will remain that way until I'm shown Church teaching that requires me to change my views, but it's all a matter of personal opinion and doesn't necessary make on anti-Semitic - though some Catholics may be.
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3Sanctus Wrote:Michael G, my point was that (aside from the fact we all must believe all non-Catholics need to be converted) the things people get so mad about are a matter of personal opinion.  As far as I know we don't have to see ever single Jew as a murderer of Christ, but I certainly accept that the Jewish community was guilty of demanding Christ's crucifixion.  I'm not as worried about the deicide thing as some here, and will remain that way until I'm shown Church teaching that requires me to change my views, but it's all a matter of personal opinion and doesn't necessary make on anti-Semitic - though some Catholics may be.

Let's just cut to the chase.

To repeat what the Gospels and the Fathers of the Church said about Jews is to be considered anti-semitic. Even when we know the majority of Jews and their leadership are seeking the destruction of our religion, vilifying Mel Gibson's account of the Gospels as unacceptable "anti-semitism" burning Bibles in Israel, promoting abortion and homosexual marriage, etc, etc.

We have a situation where supposedly the Second Vatican Council condemns anyone who stands firm against the Jews and condemns their evil acts to be someone who is an "anti-semite" - condemned.

Implicitly there is a condemnation of what the Church has always taught "even from the beginning in Israel" (Pius IX Syllabus of Errors)

No true Catholic can accept the current interpration that the Jews demand, it is time for the Pope to condemn the Jewish groups that demand that interpration as enemies of the Catholic Faith.
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#13
StevusMagnus Wrote:Oh for the strength of a St. Pius X right now. This is truly humiliating.
I think Bp. Fellay should ask the Pope to decide whether he wishes to retain personal power by punishing insurrection or serve only as the front-man of Kasper and friends. If the latter then let there be no hard feelings, but the SSPX is better off staying irregular for now.
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#14
With the events of last two weeks, I think it is safe to say that the conspiracy theorists have been right all along.

Think about it, the Jews have been able to get the Chancellor of Germany to back their meddling in the Catholic Church... over a simple internal legal procedure.

Also, now the Vatican claims Bp Williamson needs to recant. Sure this is good in one sense, that he is still seen as having a possible public role in the future, but what exactly is he able to recant?

"I now believe that exactly 6 million Jews were killed by the Nazis."

How can someone change their opinions on no extra evidence? Unless they want to send him to Holocaust re-education camp? No doubt it exists in Germany somewhere.

It is becoming clear that in order to function as a Catholic bishop in the Novus Ordo Church, you need to above all other considerations bow down to the Jews and their version of history..... Primary allegiance is no longer to the dogmas and doctrines of the Church, which any bishop can question, speculate on and/or deny at will.

Someone can question other facts of history.... the virgin birth, assumption, even the Resurrection, but one CAN'T question the 6 million.

This shows that the conspiracy theorists were right all along.
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winoblue1 Wrote:With the events of last two weeks, I think it is safe to say that the conspiracy theorists have been right all along.

Think about it, the Jews have been able to get the Chancellor of Germany to back their meddling in the Catholic Church... over a simple internal legal procedure.

Also, now the Vatican claims Bp Williamson needs to recant. Sure this is good in one sense, that he is still seen as having a possible public role in the future, but what exactly is he able to recant?

"I now believe that exactly 6 million Jews were killed by the Nazis."

How can someone change their opinions on no extra evidence? Unless they want to send him to Holocaust re-education camp? No doubt it exists in Germany somewhere.

It is becoming clear that in order to function as a Catholic bishop in the Novus Ordo Church, you need to above all other considerations bow down to the Jews and their version of history..... Primary allegiance is no longer to the dogmas and doctrines of the Church, which any bishop can question, speculate on and/or deny at will.

Someone can question other facts of history.... the virgin birth, assumption, even the Resurrection, but one CAN'T question the 6 million.

This shows that the conspiracy theorists were right all along.

Yes, the conspiracy theorists have been right about a lot of things, but why did the Pope decide to lift the excommunications?

There's still hope. We have to pray the Pope is willing to defy the enemies who surround him.
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columba Wrote:
StevusMagnus Wrote:Oh for the strength of a St. Pius X right now. This is truly humiliating.
I think Bp. Fellay should ask the Pope to decide whether he wishes to retain personal power by punishing insurrection or serve only as the front-man of Kasper and friends. If the latter then let there be no hard feelings, but the SSPX is better off staying irregular for now.
In addition, the Pope is being portrayed as a coward, a liar, and a fool because nobody believes he did not know about +Williamson's views. The whole world is laughing. The only way for BXVI to save his Papacy is to break some skulls and take charge.
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#17
columba Wrote:
Michael_G Wrote:I am puzzled by the name of this thread.  What "about-turn"?
"About-turn" comes from the original headline and it is very appropriate. Rome previously held that remitting excommunications was unconnected with holocaust issues. Rome has reversed itself today with a NOTE lying that it did not know about the +Williamson interview to imply it would not have remitted the excommunications.

Rome has reneged on its previous understanding with the SSPX by requiring affirmation of Jewish "revealed" Holocaust dogma in order to move forward with +Williamson.

Good point! I hadn't thought about it that way. They pretty much contradicted themselves.
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#18
Winoblue, good points. Just when we think we're going to make progress, Satan throws in the monkey wrench. This is his world and he knows the game well. It is a test. If the Pope is going to stand up for Christ's Church he is going to make sure there is Hell to pay. We must pray that God gives the Pope the strength to go through his own Calvary.
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#19
Telemaque Wrote:Yes, the conspiracy theorists have been right about a lot of things, but why did the Pope decide to lift the excommunications?

I think the Holy Ghost tricked him into it.  From his perspective it seems an absolute act of stupidity and madness to me.

We are 2 months away from the 40th anniversary of the Universal propogation of the new mass.  Holy Thursday 1969.

Come in Barque number 1, your time is up?
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#20
Perhaps Bishop Williamson was right. The Pope, in standing up for the Truth, may have to die a martyr. The anti-Catholics are so rabid right now in Europe anything is possible, God forbid.
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