Hitchens: Traditional Catholicism is Inherently Anti-Semitic
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Assigning a grandstanding atheist like Hitchens to write about this topic demonstrates that Newsweek is more interested in sensation than in facts.  Their circulation has been dropping since the mid-90's, and I guess they've decided to go for infotainment.
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#12
Telemaque Wrote:
Hotspur Wrote:And so this article will be disseminated among of millions secular humanists , and they shall engage in blasphemy. All the more reason for me to be convinced at how imprudent Williamson was...

They already were engaging in blasphemy.

That's what Hitchens and secular humanists do.

Now we're supposed to worry about what they'll say?

What we need to worry about is allowing what they say to affect what Catholics say and do.
So since they're already doing it, it's fine to increase the frequency they are doing it and reduce whatever some openings in which they can be persuaded to voluntarily stop it? Oh I see, they're so hopeless it's isn't worth it to even try to persuade, just let them carry on in their path to hellfire.

Oh, and yes, because there are still plenty of infidels (and I simply mean 'without faith' when I use the term) who have been swayed in the direction of Hitchens who might gone the other way and found the Church had Williamson kept his mouth shut on a non-religious matter. Williamson's brand of history can't be guaranteed to be true in the same manner the current consensus is: there can be evidence to disprove it.
Why give the instrument of spreading lies to the masses(the media) material to increase hatred of God, and on matter that is only indirectly related to the current theological crisis? It's not like the media's behavior can't be predicuted. They will keep on abusing their free will, so it's best to not even give them a chance to talk.
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#13
People, there are so many errors, exaggerations, omissions and outright lies in this article I can't imagine that this guy has any understanding of this situation.  I'm not even going to mention them as they  are not worth mentioning.  This guy is a liar, a bigot of the worse kind, and if he hated Jews the way he hates Catholics AMERICA would have to put him in jail.



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Quote:So since they're already doing it, it's fine to increase the frequency they are doing it and reduce whatever some openings in which they can be persuaded to voluntarily stop it? Oh I see, they're so hopeless it's isn't worth it to even try to persuade, just let them carry on in their path to hellfire.

They'll stop attacking our Faith when Catholics stop being Catholic. Being Catholic is all the excuse they'll need. If it wasn't Williamson's remarks it would be something else. That's what people need to understand. The idea that we can stop them from doing what they do by throwing our own leaders overboard when they find some pretext for vilifying them is the reason we are failing time and time again.

Quote:Oh, and yes, because there are still plenty of infidels (and I simply mean 'without faith' when I use the term) who have been swayed in the direction of Hitchens who might gone the other way and found the Church had Williamson kept his mouth shut on a non-religious matter. Williamson's brand of history can't be guaranteed to be true in the same manner the current consensus is: there can be evidence to disprove it.
Why give the instrument of spreading lies to the masses(the media) material to increase hatred of God, and on matter that is only indirectly related to the current theological crisis? It's not like the media's behavior can't be predicuted. They will keep on abusing their free will, so it's best to not even give them a chance to talk.

They were blaming the Catholic Church and Pius XII for the Holocaust and the Latin Mass for anti-Semitism and vilifying Catholicism for any number of things before Williamson's interview. They're trying to destroy the Catholic Faith. They are to be defeated by refusing to back down to them. No one has the right to use the Holocaust, or Williamson's views of the Holocaust, as a stick to beat the Catholic Church or Catholic doctrine. That's what Catholics should be saying. Not biting our fingers and complaining that Bishop Williamson gave the militant secularists another chance to attack us.
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and if he hated Jews the way he hates Catholics AMERICA would have to put him in jail.

Well, it would be kind of hard for him to hate Jews the way he hates Catholics because he is a Jew (although an atheist and secular one).
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Quote:They'll stop attacking our Faith when Catholics stop being Catholic. Being Catholic is all the excuse they'll need. If it wasn't Williamson's remarks it would be something else. That's what people need to understand. The idea that we can stop them from doing what they do by throwing our own leaders overboard when they find some pretext for vilifying them is the reason we are failing time and time again.
Many will stop by having their misconceptions shattered. They are not mindless automatons.
Quote:They were blaming the Catholic Church and Pius XII for the Holocaust and the Latin Mass for anti-Semitism and vilifying Catholicism for any number of things before Williamson's interview. They're trying to destroy the Catholic Faith.
This much is obvious; no quips here.
Quote: They are to be defeated by refusing to back down to them. No one has the right to use the Holocaust, or Williamson's views of the Holocaust, as a stick to beat the Catholic Church or Catholic doctrine. That's what Catholics should be saying. Not biting our fingers and complaining that Bishop Williamson gave the militant secularists another chance to attack us.
They are to be defeated by expelling the falsehoods from the their minds. Williamson's comments, in the end, did nothing to achieve this.
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Happyandgrateful Wrote:
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and if he hated Jews the way he hates Catholics AMERICA would have to put him in jail.

Well, it would be kind of hard for him to hate Jews the way he hates Catholics because he is a Jew (although an atheist and secular one).

As much as I would want to agree with you I simply can't.  There are untold cases of people hating their own selves and own religions.  Wasn't there a great Jewish rabbini who stated that when Jewish oppression is high so is their faith is strong but when they have great wealth and prosperity their faith wanes?  This man is an example of the latter.

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Hotspur Wrote:
Quote:They'll stop attacking our Faith when Catholics stop being Catholic. Being Catholic is all the excuse they'll need. If it wasn't Williamson's remarks it would be something else. That's what people need to understand. The idea that we can stop them from doing what they do by throwing our own leaders overboard when they find some pretext for vilifying them is the reason we are failing time and time again.
Many will stop by having their misconceptions shattered. They are not mindless automatons.
Quote:They were blaming the Catholic Church and Pius XII for the Holocaust and the Latin Mass for anti-Semitism and vilifying Catholicism for any number of things before Williamson's interview. They're trying to destroy the Catholic Faith.
This much is obvious; no quips here.
Quote: They are to be defeated by refusing to back down to them. No one has the right to use the Holocaust, or Williamson's views of the Holocaust, as a stick to beat the Catholic Church or Catholic doctrine. That's what Catholics should be saying. Not biting our fingers and complaining that Bishop Williamson gave the militant secularists another chance to attack us.
They are to be defeated by expelling the falsehoods from the their minds. Williamson's comments, in the end, did nothing to achieve this.

They are responsible for their own actions. Bishop Williamson at least is willing to confront them, even if he is wrong about some things. Maybe some of them will ask themselves if it's a healthy situation for society when the mere fact that Williamson expresses his views honestly is considered so dangerous that it causes international outcry and warnings to the Pope from a world leader.
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Telemaque Wrote:[quote='Hotspur']
Quote:They'll stop attacking our Faith when Catholics stop being Catholic. Being Catholic is all the excuse they'll need. If it wasn't Williamson's remarks it would be something else. That's what people need to understand. The idea that we can stop them from doing what they do by throwing our own leaders overboard when they find some pretext for vilifying them is the reason we are failing time and time again.
Many will stop by having their misconceptions shattered. They are not mindless automatons.
Quote:They were blaming the Catholic Church and Pius XII for the Holocaust and the Latin Mass for anti-Semitism and vilifying Catholicism for any number of things before Williamson's interview. They're trying to destroy the Catholic Faith.
This much is obvious; no quips here.
Quote: They are to be defeated by refusing to back down to them. No one has the right to use the Holocaust, or Williamson's views of the Holocaust, as a stick to beat the Catholic Church or Catholic doctrine. That's what Catholics should be saying. Not biting our fingers and complaining that Bishop Williamson gave the militant secularists another chance to attack us.
They are to be defeated by expelling the falsehoods from the their minds. Williamson's comments, in the end, did nothing to achieve this.

Quote:They are responsible for their own actions.
Now we're back to square one.
And it's the responsibility of those who know the truth to correct them. What is this obsession with hanging them out to dry?
Quote: Bishop Williamson at least is willing to confront them, even if he is wrong about some things. Maybe some of them will ask themselves if it's a healthy situation for society when the mere fact that Williamson expresses his views honestly is considered so dangerous that it causes international outcry and warnings to the Pope from a world leader.
Activity does not equal achievement. No misconceptions were shattered. Instead, the media created new ones or added fuel to the fire of old ones.
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#20
Quote:Activity does not equal achievement. No misconceptions were shattered. Instead, the media created new ones or added fuel to the fire of old ones.

I disagree. A misconception was shattered. The misconception that Catholic prelates will always apologize for offending the Jews when they say what they believe.
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