Third Secret of Fatima can no longer contain any message regarding Vatican II
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Third Secret of Fatima can no longer contain any message regarding Vatican II.

 

Recent events now indicate that the Third Secret of Fatima can no longer contain any message regarding Vatican II. Once the Society of Saint Pius X formally acknowledges the Second Vatican Council who then will say that Our Lady warned the world of an evil council?  Many speculated that the Third Secret spoke of apostasy and the evil council. My contention with this is simple, why is apostasy a secret? Our Lady at La Salette already warned the world of bad clergy. So this is nothing new. So it will be very apparent soon that the Third Secret of Fatima can no longer contain any message regarding Vatican II. The Third Secret of Fatima contains something else.

 

 

NOTE OF THE SECRETARIAT OF STATE:

 

2. Tradition, doctrine, and the Second Vatican Council.

 

For a future recognition of the Fraternity of Saint Pius X, the full acknowledgment of the Second Vatican Council and of the Magisterium of Popes John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul I, John Paul II, and of the same Benedict XVI is an indispensable condition

 

As it was already affirmed in the Decree of January 21, 2009, the Holy See will not avoid, in ways deemed appropriate, discussing with the interested [party] the questions that remain open, so as to be able to reach a full and satisfactory resolution of the problems which originated this painful division.

From the Vatican, February 4, 2009.

 



 

Example from Fatima Crusader telling us that the Third Secret of Fatima contains message regarding Vatican II.

 

http://www.fatimacrusader.com/cr77/cr77pg08.asp

 

The Third Secret prophecy tells us that the apostasy in the Church begins at the top. We are living through the apostasy which has begun and continues to spread because of at least the silence, if not the connivance and the actual promotion of the apostasy from the Vatican. The apostasy has been carried forward from the Vatican itself by the two things that we know are in the Secret:

  • From a close friend of Pope John Paul II, The Fatima Crusader has learned that Our Lady, in the Third Secret, warned against altering the Sacred Liturgy, the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass especially. And She also warned against an evil Council that would take place (and which we know now has taken place, the Second Vatican Council).
  • We know that Vatican Council II is that evil Council because pagan worship at Catholic Shrines is now encouraged in the "interreligious spirit of Vatican II". It is the new orientation of Vatican II that Rector Guerra relies on to promote, approve and defend pagan worship at Fatima.

 

Points to Consider
       In conclusion, we will recap some important considerations from what we know of the Third Secret:

  1. We have it from sources inside the Vatican that the Third Secret warned against the coming of an evil Council and against changes in the liturgy.
  2. We also know that Cardinal Ciappi, the personal theologian to all the Popes since Vatican II, said, "In the Third Secret it is foretold, among other things, that the great apostasy in the Church will begin at the top."
  3. This explains why the apostasy has spread throughout the entire Church – because it comes from the highest authorities in the Church. This apostasy is not much resisted because most people are taken in by the ill-deserved prestige of Vatican II.
  4. The apostasy is spread by means of the novel teachings of Vatican II, the novel practices that the Council inaugurated, and by the New Mass, which was written with the help of six Protestant ministers.
  5. The old Latin Liturgy contained within it barriers against heresy. The New Mass has cast aside these barriers. Cardinal Ottaviani, the head of the Holy Office, the Public Defender of the Faith, lamented that the New Mass, "represents, both as a whole and in its details — a striking departure from the Catholic theology of the Mass as it was formulated in Session XXII of the Council of Trent. The ‘canons’ of the rite definitively fixed at that time an insurmountable barrier to any heresy directed against the integrity of the Mystery."6

The implementation of the New Mass was a way to "demolish the bastions" against heresy that the Old Mass contained, the bastions that protected the Faith. Cardinal Ottaviani has been replaced as head of the Holy Office by Cardinal Ratzinger. Readers of the book The Devil’s Final Battle will recall that the present "Public Defender" of the Faith, Cardinal Ratzinger, has approved of the efforts to "demolish the bastions." (See The Devil’s Final Battle, page 77.)

    • Thus heresy is able to spread through the implementation of the New Mass, and by the deficiencies that the New Rite contains. This is one of the many reasons why tens of thousands of Catholic priests and laity throughout the world have chosen never to celebrate or to attend the New Mass.
  1. For those who believe a Council could never be bad, there is the historic example of the Second Council of Constantinople, which was a source of confusion. Thus, it is not against the Faith to say that a Council can be bad. In fact, it might be said that God allowed the disaster of the Second Council of Constantinople to take place as a lesson for us not to repeat this error, and not fall into the mistaken notion that a Council can never be a source of confusion for the Church.
       It also must be remembered that Vatican II is not a dogmatic Council, but a pastoral one. It primarily set a new direction for the Church, and the new direction is disastrous, culminating in pagan worship being permitted inside of Catholic sanctuaries.
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All this batshit foolishness about the third secret of Fatima only serves to discredit the traditionalist movement.
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No one knows that it mentioned an 'evil Council.' It most likely mentioned the apostasy since the Council.
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Dauphin Wrote:All this batshit foolishness about the third secret of Fatima only serves to discredit the traditionalist movement.

Actually all the batshit coverups and disobedience to Our Blessed Mother's wishes coming from the Vatican serves to further discredit the Modernist intruders.
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Dauphin Wrote:All this batshit foolishness about the third secret of Fatima only serves to discredit the traditionalist movement.

Hmm, I see. So you do believe in the 2000's "unveiling" of the Third Secret of Fatima by H.E. Cardinal Bertone and H.E. Cardinal Ratzinger?
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Anyone who seriously studies Fatima knows that the Secret revealed in 2000 is not the real one or at least not the WHOLE one(I doubt that they completely made it all up).

But it's just as bad for us to go the other way and spend too much thought about what the Secret actually says and then judge Church leaders based on private opinion.
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I really don't think the council itself was evil.  All the crazy innovations that happened later are evil, and it goes along with the prophecy at La Salette. 

Let's say, hypothetically, that the second Vatican council never occurred.  Don't you think the modernists would have infected the Church all the same?  They'd just call it something different than "the spirit of Vatican ii".

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He's 20 years old according to his profile.  He wasn't even a twinkle in he father's eye when Crd. Ratzinger made statements about the third secret which cannot in anyway correlate with what he said in June 2000.

I confess, that these young Turks irritate me immensely.  I wouldn't mind if they had read "Third Secret Still Hidden" by Chris Ferrara and "The Fourth Secret of Fatima" by A. Socci, which build an incredibly detailed case of why one should believe that a vital part of the secret has been held back, but low and behold they never have.

If they had they could perhaps frame a decent argument as to why it was "batshit foolishness".  But the bravado of youth means that they are too "busy" doing something else to ever sit down and read a couple of books before debating the points.  The MTV generation have had their brains rotted out by too much to ever engage in a sensible debate.

Even if this young turk avoided the worst of those influences he unfortunately grew up with a generation of zoned out twirps who couldn't engage in any kind of independent thought or rational debate.

Sad.
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miss_fluffy Wrote:I really don't think the council itself was evil.  All the crazy innovations that happened later are evil, and it goes along with the prophecy at La Salette. 

Let's say, hypothetically, that the second Vatican council never occurred.  Don't you think the modernists would have infected the Church all the same?  They'd just call it something different than "the spirit of Vatican ii".

So a good tree produced bad fruits?  Interesting concept.
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miss_fluffy Wrote:Let's say, hypothetically, that the second Vatican council never occurred.  Don't you think the modernists would have infected the Church all the same?  They'd just call it something different than "the spirit of Vatican ii".

Before the Council they did not have any legitimacy to teach heresy or tamper with the liturgy. After the Council, they were legitimated in their perverse aspirations.
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