Men's Dress Worn By Women
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Telemaque Wrote:
Cantus Wrote:
StevusMagnus Wrote:Here's my two cents. I hope we can all agree that Catholics should wear modest clothing and men should wear masculine clothes and women feminine clothes. Said in reverse, women should not wear masculine clothes and men not wear feminine clothes.

Firstly, all historical references of past centuries and different cultures are irrelevant. Almost all of us live in 2009 Western Culture. We must apply the general principles I spoke of above to 2009 Western Culture.

In applying these principles we can disagree as to where exact lines should be drawn. However, one thing is for certain. Men wearing dress pants in 2009 are modest and masculine. Women wearing long skirts or dresses in 2009 are modest and feminine. If the Society or other Trad Chapels want to make this the norm for Mass, since it is clearly within the principles stated above and there is no gray area, then I think that is a good and laudable stance.

Again, with all due respect, this only applies if you see fashion as an unmoving and fixed aspect.  Since it is not and as long as women are modest in the current fashion I don't see the point to make to state that a currently accepted norm i.e. fashion of America 2009 and pants on women is not feminine or could possibly be sinful? 

Thanks to all for the logical responses.

No one said it was necessarily sinful for a women to wear pants - just that it's not a good idea, and not something that's wanted in Church. I think it betrays liberal and feminist attitudes to object to a simple dress requirement which has very good intentions and effects.

It seems that the argument has become semantic.  Since the length of the skirt is relative, and the culture of the pants on women is relative, why then assign a problem to it.  Simply because feminists and modernists (condemned error) wear pants doesen't mean that modest women shouldn't?  Feminists and haters of the church also eat, sleep, shop, work, have kids, and generally live their lives normally (albeit sinfully) and are not labeled as feminists until extraordinary attention is given them as they are speaking on the subject.  That being said, is it sinful to do all those things as well?  I also don't recall any feminist stating that they wear pants SPECIFICALLY to act in the authority of a man (wait for it Cantus, you'll be bombarded by examples soon) so I don't think that reason has credibility.  If we live by emotional attachment without the ability to understand to the smallest degree why we believe what we believe, then why live a Catholic life?  The church, and God are ALWAYS logical.
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Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-05-2009, 11:37 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by PeterII - 02-05-2009, 11:48 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Anastasia - 02-05-2009, 11:50 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by didishroom - 02-05-2009, 11:54 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by DrBombay - 02-05-2009, 11:55 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Cantus - 02-06-2009, 12:01 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 12:05 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Cantus - 02-06-2009, 12:09 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by PeterII - 02-06-2009, 12:19 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Cantus - 02-06-2009, 12:20 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 12:46 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 12:57 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Cantus - 02-06-2009, 01:00 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by SaintRafael - 02-06-2009, 04:56 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 05:08 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Credo - 02-06-2009, 07:55 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Clare - 02-06-2009, 08:41 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by newtolatin - 02-06-2009, 11:43 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Satori - 02-06-2009, 11:49 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Schatz - 02-06-2009, 11:54 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Anastasia - 02-06-2009, 11:59 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Spooky - 02-06-2009, 12:22 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by moneil - 02-06-2009, 12:42 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by The_Harlequin_King - 02-06-2009, 12:44 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by moneil - 02-06-2009, 12:59 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 01:06 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 01:13 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 01:14 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Cantus - 02-06-2009, 01:16 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Cantus - 02-06-2009, 01:21 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Telemaque - 02-06-2009, 01:25 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by didishroom - 02-06-2009, 01:29 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Cantus - 02-06-2009, 01:37 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Telemaque - 02-06-2009, 01:52 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 01:58 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Anastasia - 02-06-2009, 02:09 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Cantus - 02-06-2009, 02:09 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 02:17 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Telemaque - 02-06-2009, 02:20 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by The_Harlequin_King - 02-06-2009, 02:21 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Anastasia - 02-06-2009, 02:22 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 02:26 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 02:29 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Telemaque - 02-06-2009, 02:36 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 02:39 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 02:47 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by newtolatin - 02-06-2009, 02:48 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Anastasia - 02-06-2009, 02:49 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 02:54 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Telemaque - 02-06-2009, 02:57 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Anastasia - 02-06-2009, 03:01 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by The_Harlequin_King - 02-06-2009, 03:12 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 03:15 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Telemaque - 02-06-2009, 03:16 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 03:20 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 03:25 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 03:26 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Cantus - 02-06-2009, 03:32 PM
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Men's Dress Worn By Women - by The_Harlequin_King - 02-06-2009, 03:38 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 03:39 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Telemaque - 02-06-2009, 03:41 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 03:44 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 03:47 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 03:54 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by The_Harlequin_King - 02-06-2009, 03:55 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 04:08 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Cantus - 02-06-2009, 04:14 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Telemaque - 02-06-2009, 04:31 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by The_Harlequin_King - 02-06-2009, 04:34 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Telemaque - 02-06-2009, 04:37 PM
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Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Cantus - 02-06-2009, 05:09 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by SaintRafael - 02-06-2009, 06:03 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by INPEFESS - 02-06-2009, 06:55 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 07:31 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by moneil - 02-06-2009, 07:43 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by INPEFESS - 02-06-2009, 08:06 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by SaintRafael - 02-06-2009, 08:07 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Telemaque - 02-06-2009, 08:12 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by INPEFESS - 02-06-2009, 08:15 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 08:18 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Telemaque - 02-06-2009, 08:23 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 08:25 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by moneil - 02-06-2009, 08:30 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Telemaque - 02-06-2009, 08:32 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 08:37 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Telemaque - 02-06-2009, 08:37 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 08:40 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 08:42 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 08:58 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 08:59 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by INPEFESS - 02-06-2009, 08:59 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Telemaque - 02-06-2009, 08:59 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 09:00 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by SaintRafael - 02-06-2009, 09:03 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 09:05 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 09:07 PM
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Men's Dress Worn By Women - by moneil - 02-06-2009, 09:13 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 09:19 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 09:19 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 09:25 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 09:27 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 09:28 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Telemaque - 02-06-2009, 09:30 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 09:31 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 09:31 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 09:33 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 09:35 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 09:36 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 09:37 PM
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Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 09:39 PM
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Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 09:58 PM
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Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Telemaque - 02-06-2009, 10:00 PM
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Men's Dress Worn By Women - by The_Harlequin_King - 02-06-2009, 11:32 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 11:33 PM
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