Men's Dress Worn By Women
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StevusMagnus Wrote:Bottom line is that you have no idea the circumstances of the Church in the video, if it is an area with frequent visitors and tourists, and make no allowance for this fact. Then you assume that SSPX Chapels in Europe must not care about the issue from the evidence of one video of one Chapel.

When some of those ladies in question are in the music program, it's evident that they're not tourists or visitors. Ladies who not only attend, but actively work with men in various positions of authority in that church. And if this church is not just one chapel, but is the heart of the SSPX in France (a country where an estimated half of all SSPX'ers worldwide reside), then it's very reasonable to figure that the pants issue isn't taken as seriously there. And look at the statement I was replying to:

Telemaque Wrote:Not in SSPX chapels. We don't have to follow all the fashions of the world. Within living memory standards were different. They were different for a good reason, they were changed for bad reasons. I know the difference between the standards of dress of women in SSPX chapels and those in Novus Ordo.

If one of the most significant (if not the most significant) SSPX establishments isn't strictly upholding a no-pants rule, then this statement above isn't true.

StevusMagnus Wrote:Then you make similarly rash assertions based on a false premise: that the more "robustly" and "intimately" you sing means the more "aware" one is of the Mass. There are Life-Teeners who sing very "robustly" and "intimately" are they "aware" of the Mass? In reality whether one sings or not has no correlation to their "keen sense of liturgy". Also, you seemingly read the faces of Chapel goers by studying their "blank or confused expressions". Completely subjective and speculative assertions. Furthermore, are you sure you were "aware" and had a "keen sense of liturgy" as you scanned the congregation to see who was singing, look for "blank and confused expressions" and if people were praying private devotions?

Quite sure. You're free to disagree, though.

StevusMagnus Wrote:And based on this nonsense, you then make the claim that many US SSPX Chapelgoers are unaware of the Mass, and furthermore that they are, instead,  are "glad to hear the priest rail against this or that from the pulpit". I suppose you can read their minds as well?

Most American SSPX'ers I've read on forums and the blogosphere were attracted to the SSPX for their moral and doctrinal stances more than for liturgical reasons. European SSPX'ers on the same sites, though, more often emphasize liturgical principles.

What I said about all that is ultimately just a series of personal observations. If you don't like them, that's fine. But since they're not against the forum rules, I'll say what I please about it, just as you'll say what you please about FSSP'ers being sellouts, etc. without just "keeping them to yourself".
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Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-05-2009, 11:37 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by PeterII - 02-05-2009, 11:48 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Anastasia - 02-05-2009, 11:50 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by didishroom - 02-05-2009, 11:54 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by DrBombay - 02-05-2009, 11:55 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Cantus - 02-06-2009, 12:01 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 12:05 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Cantus - 02-06-2009, 12:09 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by PeterII - 02-06-2009, 12:19 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Cantus - 02-06-2009, 12:20 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 12:46 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 12:57 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Cantus - 02-06-2009, 01:00 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by SaintRafael - 02-06-2009, 04:56 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 05:08 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Credo - 02-06-2009, 07:55 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Clare - 02-06-2009, 08:41 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by newtolatin - 02-06-2009, 11:43 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Satori - 02-06-2009, 11:49 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Schatz - 02-06-2009, 11:54 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Anastasia - 02-06-2009, 11:59 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Spooky - 02-06-2009, 12:22 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by moneil - 02-06-2009, 12:42 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by The_Harlequin_King - 02-06-2009, 12:44 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by moneil - 02-06-2009, 12:59 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 01:06 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 01:13 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 01:14 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Cantus - 02-06-2009, 01:16 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Cantus - 02-06-2009, 01:21 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Telemaque - 02-06-2009, 01:25 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by didishroom - 02-06-2009, 01:29 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Cantus - 02-06-2009, 01:37 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Telemaque - 02-06-2009, 01:52 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 01:58 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Anastasia - 02-06-2009, 02:09 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Cantus - 02-06-2009, 02:09 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 02:17 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Telemaque - 02-06-2009, 02:20 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by The_Harlequin_King - 02-06-2009, 02:21 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Anastasia - 02-06-2009, 02:22 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 02:26 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 02:29 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Telemaque - 02-06-2009, 02:36 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 02:39 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 02:47 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by newtolatin - 02-06-2009, 02:48 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Anastasia - 02-06-2009, 02:49 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 02:54 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Telemaque - 02-06-2009, 02:57 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Anastasia - 02-06-2009, 03:01 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by The_Harlequin_King - 02-06-2009, 03:12 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 03:15 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Telemaque - 02-06-2009, 03:16 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 03:20 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 03:25 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 03:26 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Cantus - 02-06-2009, 03:32 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 03:38 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by The_Harlequin_King - 02-06-2009, 03:38 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 03:39 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Telemaque - 02-06-2009, 03:41 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 03:44 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 03:47 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 03:54 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by The_Harlequin_King - 02-06-2009, 03:55 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 04:08 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Cantus - 02-06-2009, 04:14 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Telemaque - 02-06-2009, 04:31 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by The_Harlequin_King - 02-06-2009, 04:34 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Telemaque - 02-06-2009, 04:37 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by The_Harlequin_King - 02-06-2009, 04:40 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 04:40 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 04:42 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by The_Harlequin_King - 02-06-2009, 04:48 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 04:50 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by The_Harlequin_King - 02-06-2009, 04:57 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Cantus - 02-06-2009, 05:09 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by SaintRafael - 02-06-2009, 06:03 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by INPEFESS - 02-06-2009, 06:55 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 07:31 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by moneil - 02-06-2009, 07:43 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by INPEFESS - 02-06-2009, 08:06 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by SaintRafael - 02-06-2009, 08:07 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Telemaque - 02-06-2009, 08:12 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by INPEFESS - 02-06-2009, 08:15 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 08:18 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Telemaque - 02-06-2009, 08:23 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 08:25 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by moneil - 02-06-2009, 08:30 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Telemaque - 02-06-2009, 08:32 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 08:37 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Telemaque - 02-06-2009, 08:37 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 08:40 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 08:42 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 08:58 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 08:59 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by INPEFESS - 02-06-2009, 08:59 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Telemaque - 02-06-2009, 08:59 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 09:00 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by SaintRafael - 02-06-2009, 09:03 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 09:05 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 09:07 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 09:11 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by moneil - 02-06-2009, 09:11 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by moneil - 02-06-2009, 09:13 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 09:19 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 09:19 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 09:25 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 09:27 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 09:28 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Telemaque - 02-06-2009, 09:30 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 09:31 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 09:31 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 09:33 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 09:35 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 09:36 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 09:37 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 09:38 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 09:39 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 09:41 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Telemaque - 02-06-2009, 09:43 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 09:43 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 09:43 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 09:45 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 09:48 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Telemaque - 02-06-2009, 09:49 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 09:50 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 09:52 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 09:53 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 09:54 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 09:55 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 09:56 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 09:58 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 09:58 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Telemaque - 02-06-2009, 10:00 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 10:00 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 10:01 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 10:01 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 10:03 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 10:11 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by The_Harlequin_King - 02-06-2009, 11:32 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 11:33 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by The_Harlequin_King - 02-06-2009, 11:38 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 11:43 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by The_Harlequin_King - 02-06-2009, 11:53 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by INPEFESS - 02-07-2009, 03:30 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-07-2009, 05:54 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-07-2009, 06:23 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by didishroom - 02-07-2009, 10:09 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by didishroom - 02-07-2009, 10:18 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by LRThunder - 02-07-2009, 10:48 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by didishroom - 02-07-2009, 10:55 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-07-2009, 12:00 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-07-2009, 12:02 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-07-2009, 12:05 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by didishroom - 02-07-2009, 12:09 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-07-2009, 12:17 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by didishroom - 02-07-2009, 12:23 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Schatz - 02-07-2009, 12:24 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by didishroom - 02-07-2009, 12:27 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-07-2009, 12:28 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Cantus - 02-07-2009, 03:14 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-07-2009, 03:54 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-07-2009, 04:06 PM
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Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-07-2009, 04:37 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-07-2009, 04:39 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Cantus - 02-07-2009, 04:55 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by piabee - 02-07-2009, 06:00 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by The_Harlequin_King - 02-07-2009, 09:51 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-07-2009, 10:08 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by The_Harlequin_King - 02-07-2009, 10:19 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Cantus - 02-07-2009, 10:21 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-07-2009, 10:35 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-07-2009, 10:38 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-07-2009, 10:45 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by The_Harlequin_King - 02-07-2009, 10:46 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-07-2009, 11:14 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by piabee - 02-07-2009, 11:32 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-07-2009, 11:36 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by piabee - 02-07-2009, 11:39 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by didishroom - 02-08-2009, 08:51 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by didishroom - 02-08-2009, 09:00 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-08-2009, 09:50 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by didishroom - 02-08-2009, 10:16 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-08-2009, 07:36 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-08-2009, 07:47 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-08-2009, 07:52 PM
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Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-08-2009, 09:29 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by newtolatin - 02-08-2009, 10:42 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Telemaque - 02-08-2009, 10:51 PM
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