Men's Dress Worn By Women
LaRoza Wrote:Like I said, this is not new. The Church still speaks with one voice. The people in the Church, even in the higher ranks, did not always speak clearly with one voice like you seem to imagine.

You are trying to absolutize the argument and then argue against the absolutized strawman. The official Church hierarchy under Pius XII indeed spoke with one voice and dissenters were disciplined. Whether you can find one or two counter examples to show this is not an "absolute" statement is irrelevant. The point is that "this" (confusion, ambiguity, letting dissenters spread errors, etc.) is indeed "new" as regards developments from 1950 till today.

If you are going to try to argue that doctrinal clarity, leadership, discipline, and purity of teaching are just the same now as in 1950, please stop now before you lose all credibility.

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Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-05-2009, 11:37 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by PeterII - 02-05-2009, 11:48 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Anastasia - 02-05-2009, 11:50 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by didishroom - 02-05-2009, 11:54 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by DrBombay - 02-05-2009, 11:55 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Cantus - 02-06-2009, 12:01 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 12:05 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Cantus - 02-06-2009, 12:09 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by PeterII - 02-06-2009, 12:19 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Cantus - 02-06-2009, 12:20 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 12:46 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 12:57 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Cantus - 02-06-2009, 01:00 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by SaintRafael - 02-06-2009, 04:56 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 05:08 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Credo - 02-06-2009, 07:55 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Clare - 02-06-2009, 08:41 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by newtolatin - 02-06-2009, 11:43 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Satori - 02-06-2009, 11:49 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Schatz - 02-06-2009, 11:54 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Anastasia - 02-06-2009, 11:59 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Spooky - 02-06-2009, 12:22 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by moneil - 02-06-2009, 12:42 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by The_Harlequin_King - 02-06-2009, 12:44 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by moneil - 02-06-2009, 12:59 PM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-06-2009, 01:06 PM
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