Men's Dress Worn By Women
StevusMagnus Wrote:
LaRoza Wrote:Like I said, this is not new. The Church still speaks with one voice. The people in the Church, even in the higher ranks, did not always speak clearly with one voice like you seem to imagine.

You are trying to absolutize the argument and then argue against the absolutized strawman. The official Church hierarchy under Pius XII indeed spoke with one voice and dissenters were disciplined. Whether you can find one or two counter examples to show this is not an "absolute" statement is irrelevant. The point is that "this" (confusion, ambiguity, letting dissenters spread errors, etc.) is indeed "new" as regards developments from 1950 till today.

If you are going to try to argue that doctrinal clarity, leadership, discipline, and purity of teaching are just the same now as in 1950, please stop now before you lose all credibility.

I'm going to side with LaRoza on this one.  Errors have spread before.  We've had clergy in power, we've had bad Popes spreading misinformation and scandal.  I think the difference is simply in scale.  Satan uses technology to spread error at a phenomenal rate.  In the past, a bad Pope may not have spread his errors to every priest so easily.  But then again, in the past you might have pockets of error which flourished in the distance, geographically speaking.  There's just something about the way mass media spreads infection.  But I don't think the Church is particularly worse than it was.  Our culture definitely is.  However, there is nothing new under the sun.  There's no telling how bad things got before the flood, and today's world may pale in comparison to the evil that was rampant at that time.
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Men's Dress Worn By Women - by StevusMagnus - 02-05-2009, 11:37 PM
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Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 12:05 AM
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Men's Dress Worn By Women - by PeterII - 02-06-2009, 12:19 AM
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Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 12:46 AM
Men's Dress Worn By Women - by Historian - 02-06-2009, 12:57 AM
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