The real ecumenism of Pope John XXIII
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[Image: paul23.jpg]   John XXIII - Ad Petri Cathedram     
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Well, here is a part of the encyclical which is perhaps the most relevant to ecumenism:

An Invitation to Union

79. We address Ourselves now to all of you who are separated from this Apostolic See. May this wonderful Spectacle of unity, by which the Catholic Church is set apart and distinguished, as well as the prayers and entreaties with which she begs God for unity, stir your hearts and awaken you to what is really in your best interest.

80. May We, in fond anticipation, address you as sons and brethren? May We hope with a father's love for your return?

81. Once when a terrible schism was rending the seamless garment of the Church, Bishop Theophilus of Alexandria addressed his sons and brethren with words of pastoral zeal. We take pleasure in addressing these same words to you: "Dearly beloved, we have all been invited to heaven. Let each, then, according to his abilities imitate Jesus, our model and the author of our salvation.

82. "Let us embrace that humility of soul which elevates us to great heights, that charity which unites us with God; let us have a genuine faith in revealed mysteries.

83. "Avoid division, shun discord,... encourage charity toward one another. Heed the words of Christ: 'By this will all men know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.'" (34)

84. When We fondly call you to the unity of the Church, please observe that We are not inviting you to a strange home, but to your own, to the abode of your forefathers. Permit Us, then, to long for you all "in the heart of Christ Jesus," (35) and to exhort you all to be mindful of your forefathers who "preached God's word to you; contemplate the happy issue of the life they lived, and imitate their faith." (36)

85. There is in paradise a glorious legion of Saints who have passed to heaven from your people. By the example of their lives they seem to summon you to union with this Apostolic See with which your Christian community was beneficially united for so many centuries. You are summoned especially by those Saints who in their writings perpetuated and explained with admirable accuracy the teachings of Jesus Christ.

86. We address, then, as brethren all who are separated from Us, using the words of Saint Augustine: "Whether they wish it or not, they are our brethren. They cease to be our brethren only when they stop saying 'Our Father.'" (37)

87. "Let us love God our Lord; let us love His Church. Let us love Him as our father and her as our mother, Him as our master and her as His handmaid. For we are the children of His handmaid. This marriage is based on a deep love. No one can offend one of them and be a friend of the other... What difference does it make that you have not offended your father, if he punishes offenses against your mother?... Therefore, dearly beloved, be all of one mind and remain true to God your father and your mother the Church." (38)
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Thanks for posting that, Robb and Valz.

Pope John XXIII's name has been tarnished by liberals who lack his spirit of "genuine faith in the revealed mysteries" and his burning charity to awaken separated brethren to what is really in their best interest -- to return to Catholic unity.

And I must lament also the traditionalists' all too common failure to distinguish between the true ecumenism espoused and beautifully expressed in this encyclical, and the counterfeit which goes by the name "ecumenism" but, in the infamous words of Cardinal Kasper, no longer seeks the return of all to being Catholic.

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Quote: They cease to be our brethren only when they stop saying 'Our Father.'

Don't they cease to be our brethren when they deny the Real Presence (most Protestants)?  When they deny the Trinity (Unitarians)?

When they?.....somebody else give more examples......
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There is in paradise a glorious legion of Saints who have passed to heaven from your people. By the example of their lives they seem to summon you to union with this Apostolic See with which your Christian community was beneficially united for so many centuries. You are summoned especially by those Saints who in their writings perpetuated and explained with admirable accuracy the teachings of Jesus Christ.

This assertion is unclear.  Does "your people" refer to a geographical location or does it refer to people from among the sects?  If he means former, his appeal is to nationality; if he means the latter, at very least, it is totally without foundation and defies belief.  And if their "Christian community" was "united for so many centuries" with the Apostolic See, would they not cease to be sectarian "Christian communities"?  That is, when they were united, they would have been simply referred to as Catholics.   
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Can someone locate the sources of footnotes 37 & 38?
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DesperatelySeeking Wrote:
Quote: They cease to be our brethren only when they stop saying 'Our Father.'

Don't they cease to be our brethren when they deny the Real Presence (most Protestants)?  When they deny the Trinity (Unitarians)?

When they?.....somebody else give more examples......


He is quoting St Augustine.


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Caminus Wrote:
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There is in paradise a glorious legion of Saints who have passed to heaven from your people. By the example of their lives they seem to summon you to union with this Apostolic See with which your Christian community was beneficially united for so many centuries. You are summoned especially by those Saints who in their writings perpetuated and explained with admirable accuracy the teachings of Jesus Christ.

This assertion is unclear.  Does "your people" refer to a geographical location or does it refer to people from among the sects? 

It refers to the Orthodox Churches as stated in the first sentence:

Quote:We address Ourselves now to all of you who are separated from this Apostolic See

And it is also made clear when the Pope refers to the Saints from among them.

Quote: And if their "Christian community" was "united for so many centuries" with the Apostolic See, would they not cease to be sectarian "Christian communities"?  That is, when they were united, they would have been simply referred to as Catholics.   


They are Christian communities in the sense they are Churches with bishops of Apostolic succession.  Each "Christian community" under a bishop is, of course, a Church, and each under a priest is, clearly, a parish.  That goes for whether they are Catholic or Orthodox, so there is nothing with regard to sectarianism implied.
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Quote:This assertion is unclear.  Does "your people" refer to a geographical location or does it refer to people from among the sects? 

Quote:It refers to the Orthodox Churches as stated in the first sentence:

We address Ourselves now to all of you who are separated from this Apostolic See
How do you know that he is referring just to the schismatic Orthodox in saying "All you who are separated"? 

Quote:And it is also made clear when the Pope refers to the Saints from among them.

There is no "among them" for they have separated themselves from the unity of the Church and as such from "among them" who were saints of the same Church. 

Quote: And if their "Christian community" was "united for so many centuries" with the Apostolic See, would they not cease to be sectarian "Christian communities"?  That is, when they were united, they would have been simply referred to as Catholics.   


Quote:They are Christian communities in the sense they are Churches with bishops of Apostolic succession.  Each "Christian community" under a bishop is, of course, a Church, and each under a priest is, clearly, a parish.  That goes for whether they are Catholic or Orthodox, so there is nothing with regard to sectarianism implied.


Is that a concession to the new ecumenical language?  Apostolic succession involves jurisdiction.  They do not possess it formally which is what would cause a valid recognition of succession.  If they are schismatical heretics then they cannot be considered a "church."  But according to the Vatican, only Protestants are to be referred to as "Christian communities" whereas the Orthodox are to be referred to as "Churches" for the erroneous reason asserted here.  It is erroneous becuase it ignores the distinction between possessing something materially versus possessing it formally.  So he is referring to all those separated from the Holy See, not just the Orthodox. 
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Quote: He is quoting St Augustine.

Yes, I am aware.  The question still stands.
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