The Errors of Opus Dei
#41
My father was active member of the Opus Dei in Hungary in the early 1950's, later the leaders of the organization were imprisoned so the connection was broken.

Josemaria Escriva is canonized Saint of the Roman Catholic Church.

The Opus Dei was approved by Pius XII, this approval was never revoked. Presently they are the only organization having Personal Prelature status, having jurisdiction independent from the dioceses.

The enemies of the Church work hard for the disunity.
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#42
Opus Dei people tend to not be traditionalists. They're more of the type of people who are "conservative" and like going to the Novus Ordo if it's said "nicely".

Opus Dei does not put signs on their various buildings, which is really sneaky in my mind.

Jesus Christ is the Light, and does not hide in the darkness. Only those who deceive in such a manner (like the Father of Lies)would have something insidious to hide.
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#43
edit to be jolly
what a crock hooyeyy balooyeyy imho.
I had the works direction for years. and my spiritual director actually encouraged me to go to the TLM and told me to have patient and that will come back ie be the standard mass for everyone. the direction i was offered was hard and i spent what seemed to be hours and hours on my knees begging Christ for forgiveness and my director would say do more ask more beg more cry more. confession was solid. in short my experience with the work helped bring me to tradition. it is true the focus is not the TLM and you can find different types within in. but as an organization its solid.
i thank God for the direction the work gave me. they are a hard bunch. the founders writings i read to this day and i challenge any here to find traditional fault in his writings.
pls lets go into it rather then sling shit and falsely  accuse.
http://www.escrivaworks.org/
though i no longer have direction with them. the work is in my heart as is the founder. i have nothing but respect for them.
as for the stupid remark about not having signs on its buildings have you ever heard prudence is the better part of valor?
IDIOT!
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#44
I don't know much about this and find it confusing. I'm going to reread these posts and try to find more info so I can educate myself on this subject, thanks for sharing everyone!

I find this a little confusing though, could you explain? I'm not trying to stir the pot, I just don't understand.
(02-10-2009, 01:50 AM)il_lebbroso Wrote: Try quoting someone besides Escrivá. Just try it.

If you talk  to a Benedictine you hear nothing but St. Benedict, if you talk to a Franciscan you hear nothing but St. Francis, if you talk to a Dominican you hear nothing but St. Dominic

Can you explain why you'd be surprised that Opus Dei is constantly quoting St. Jose Maria Escriva?
I've got no beef here so I don't care, I just don't see the problem.

As a person who is very interested in Franciscan spirituality I find myself just skimming over anything that wasn't written by a Franciscan, so I feel guilty of this too  :-[
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#45
there is nothing wrong with it at all> most if not all orders do it with their founders writings.
would it make more sense for a benedictine to say dont read the rule? would make sense for a dominican to say dont bother with dominics writings?
yet the wrok takes the bullshit.
yeah
sip sip
thats right
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#46
Quote: 1) Christ's Church is first and foremost a refuge for the  poor, miserable, and sinful.

Wrong.  When the poor started piling up in the Church during the Apostles time, they elected deacons to tend to them so the Apostles wouldn't be distracted.

The Church is certainly  a refuge for the poor, and only the Church should help the poor.  But "first and foremost" is borderline heresy.
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#47
i missed the post the qoute is from.
can u post who your responding to.
sip sip
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#48
Actually I just noticed this is a real old thread.  I guess someone bumped it up. 

I'm not interested in starting another socialism debate so I'm gone.  Later.
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#49
socialism? lad dont leave me here>
sip sip
yes someone pumped it up its an old one.
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#50
(08-16-2009, 09:16 PM)James02 Wrote:
Quote: 1) Christ's Church is first and foremost a refuge for the  poor, miserable, and sinful.

Wrong.  When the poor started piling up in the Church during the Apostles time, they elected deacons to tend to them so the Apostles wouldn't be distracted.

The Church is certainly  a refuge for the poor, and only the Church should help the poor.  But "first and foremost" is borderline heresy.

Where else can the pour, miserable and especially the sinful find true refuge?

If the point of view is, what is the goal of the Church, it is to worship God, to represent his presence in the Earth. But if you view things from the side of the poor and sinful, the Church should be the first and foremost refuge for them, simply due to the fact that the first and foremost refuge is God, and the Church is the representative of God in the Earth.

Jesus Christ is clear. He wont judge you how truthfully you adheraed to the tradition, neither who much yoy prayed or fasted, but he will judge you based on a simple fact: did you provided refuge for the poor, miserable and sinful.

Only the evil wants to refute Matt 25:31-46 as socialism.
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