Did the Holocaust Jews go to hell?
#56
(05-13-2009, 07:09 AM)ggreg Wrote:
(05-12-2009, 10:06 PM)catholicschoolmom Wrote: I know I will sound like a dogmatic neophyte, and I probably don't belong joining in this discussion, however, it brought to mind something I have wondered all along about being Catholic...  I was taught much of what has been posted as far as one must be baptized to wash away original sin, and be in a state of grace to avoid eternal punishment, but it always bothered me about people who may never have known about God.  What if they lived in some remote jungle, like those tribes you see in National Geographic.  As a kid, I would think of people who lived in Africa hundreds of years ago who would have had no possible contact with any kind of missionary priests or sisters at the time.  They didn't know about Jesus or God or the Blessed Mother or anything like that.  How could God, who loves HIs children so much, punish them for their ignorance?  Please don't label me a heretic or anything, but I just can't understand the rationalization of the church leaders in forming these opinions/rules. 

This will open a can of worms if discussed but I don't believe for 1 cotton-picking minute that any missionary ever arrived in a primitive village and told those people he was trying to convert that there Uncle Umbobo, Grandpa Mumata or Aunty JiJi was likely to be burning in Hell.  The pagans would have never converted if the missionaries had told them that.  One can therefore conclude.

1.  The missionaries lied about what the Church taught (since the pagans would SURELY have asked).
2.  The Church never taught that the unbaptised go to hell.  There were always get-out-of-jail-free clauses.

I find it even more odd, that given all the hair-splitting detail that the Church pronounces on less important matters of morals, faith and theology, with certitude enough to throw anathemas around, that we basically don't know the salvic mechanisms for what is after all the very reason-d'etre of our existance and the end game of all the mass going, sacrament partaking, chanting, loving, willful effort and rosary saying.

I'd venture to suggest that more people have lived on earth without a working knowledge of Christ and the Gospels than without.  Therefore unless God is a monster there must be some sort of salvic mechanism they can partake of with a reasonable chance of success.

That's always been the Church's teaching.  It's only a "controversy" because Feeneyites are tolerated on Traditional Catholic forums.  As the Catholic Encyclopedia says:

Quote:The doctrine is summed up in the phrase, Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus. This saying has been the occasion of so many objections that some consideration of its meaning seems desirable. It certainly does not mean that none can be saved except those who are in visible communion with the Church. The Catholic Church has ever taught that nothing else is needed to obtain justification than an act of perfect charity and of contrition. Whoever, under the impulse of actual grace, elicits these acts receives immediately the gift of sanctifying grace, and is numbered among the children of God. Should he die in these dispositions, he will assuredly attain heaven. It is true such acts could not possibly be elicited by one who was aware that God has commanded all to join the Church, and who nevertheless should willfully remain outside her fold. For love of God carries with it the practical desire to fulfill His commandments. But of those who die without visible communion with the Church, not all are guilty of willful disobedience to God’s commands. Many are kept from the Church by Ignorance. Such may be the case of numbers among those who have been brought up in heresy. To others the external means of grace may be unattainable. Thus an excommunicated person may have no opportunity of seeking reconciliation at the last, and yet may repair his faults by inward acts of contrition and charity.
Reply


Messages In This Thread
Did the Holocaust Jews go to hell? - by warning - 02-12-2009, 08:34 PM
Did the Holocaust Jews go to hell? - by SCG - 02-12-2009, 08:38 PM
Did the Holocaust Jews go to hell? - by Historian - 02-12-2009, 08:39 PM
Did the Holocaust Jews go to hell? - by warning - 02-12-2009, 08:40 PM
Did the Holocaust Jews go to hell? - by Historian - 02-12-2009, 08:41 PM
Did the Holocaust Jews go to hell? - by warning - 02-12-2009, 08:41 PM
Did the Holocaust Jews go to hell? - by warning - 02-12-2009, 08:42 PM
Did the Holocaust Jews go to hell? - by warning - 02-12-2009, 08:46 PM
Did the Holocaust Jews go to hell? - by Anastasia - 02-12-2009, 09:06 PM
Did the Holocaust Jews go to hell? - by Credo - 02-12-2009, 09:27 PM
Did the Holocaust Jews go to hell? - by Historian - 02-12-2009, 10:00 PM
Did the Holocaust Jews go to hell? - by Historian - 02-12-2009, 10:02 PM
Did the Holocaust Jews go to hell? - by Historian - 02-12-2009, 10:11 PM
Did the Holocaust Jews go to hell? - by Historian - 02-12-2009, 10:21 PM
Did the Holocaust Jews go to hell? - by Historian - 02-12-2009, 10:39 PM
Did the Holocaust Jews go to hell? - by SCG - 02-12-2009, 11:03 PM
Did the Holocaust Jews go to hell? - by Historian - 02-12-2009, 11:20 PM
Re: Did the Holocaust Jews go to hell? - by Credo - 05-03-2009, 06:57 PM
Re: Did the Holocaust Jews go to hell? - by JPM - 05-03-2009, 11:10 PM
Re: Did the Holocaust Jews go to hell? - by Benno - 05-04-2009, 03:59 AM
Re: Did the Holocaust Jews go to hell? - by Walty - 05-07-2009, 03:39 PM
Re: Did the Holocaust Jews go to hell? - by HMiS - 05-09-2009, 06:43 AM
Re: Did the Holocaust Jews go to hell? - by HMiS - 05-11-2009, 09:05 AM
Re: Did the Holocaust Jews go to hell? - by ggreg - 05-13-2009, 06:56 AM
Re: Did the Holocaust Jews go to hell? - by ggreg - 05-13-2009, 07:09 AM
Re: Did the Holocaust Jews go to hell? - by PeterII - 05-13-2009, 01:03 PM
Re: Did the Holocaust Jews go to hell? - by ggreg - 05-14-2009, 12:52 PM



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)