Priest/Catholic U President: "Abortion is Not an Infallible Teaching"
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http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/feb/09021205.html

Quote:By Kathleen Gilbert

WINDSOR, Ontario, February 12, 2009 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The President of the Catholic Assumption University of Windsor told LifeSiteNews.com (LSN) in an interview today that the Catholic Church's position on abortion "is not an infallible teaching."

Fr. Paul Rennick, who is also Vice Chancellor of the school, gave the remarks when LSN sought comment regarding the school's decision to invite Cokie Roberts, a pro-abortion Catholic news analyst who has criticized the Church for preaching against homosexuality and contraception, to address the school as part of the "Christian Culture" lecture series.

Fr. Rennick told LSN that he had "personally vetted" the selection of Roberts and chose her because she was "a woman of faith," a "well known Catholic" and "successful as an individual Christian."

LSN asked Fr. Rennick, "Do you think there is a possibility of scandal from the fact that she has professed very pro-abortion views and has criticized Catholic bishops for teaching Church doctrine on homosexuality and contraception?" The President of the Catholic University replied, "No, I don't."

Asked to elaborate, Fr. Rennick said: "If you look at the catholic population, you'll find a whole variety of positions on all of those topics. It seems to me that disagreement on a particular position doesn't disqualify one from being a Catholic. Unless, of course, that position is whether Jesus is the Christ."

"Abortion is not an infallible teaching. It never has been proclaimed infallibly," he said. "This attempt to put everything that the Church teaches in this one set of categories, it seems to me, is not a proper Catholic position, not according to the history of our church," he added.

LSN sought comment about Fr. Rennick's remarks from London Bishop Ronald Fabbro who is Chancellor of Assumption University. Mark Adkinson, Director of Communications for the diocese, told LifeSiteNews.com he would not be able to have the bishop comment. Asked if there would be a better time to contact the bishop, Adkinson replied, "No, because I don't view LifeSite as a legitimate news source."

LSN then sought clarification from the Canadian Catholic Conference of Bishops (CCCB), who referred to the Catholic Organization for Life and Family (COLF). COLF Assistant Director Lea Singh noted that the Catechism reads: "Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every produced abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable." (CCC 2271).

"As an 'unchangeable' teaching, it does indeed seem to be an infallible teaching," said Singh. "Over the years the CCCB has repeatedly spoken out strongly against abortion." She quoted a 1990 CCCB document which stated: "Catholic teaching on abortion is clear and unequivocal. Abortion is a moral evil because it involves the destruction of human life. Direct killing of an unborn child is never justified."

Cokie Roberts, a political commentator for ABC News and a senior news analyst for National Public Radio, has characterized the federal ban on partial-birth abortion as "off the track" and "cynical game-playing" by pro-life activists, and found the Supreme Court decision to uphold the ban "offensive as a woman."

Roberts also publicly attacked Pope Benedict XVI as "really lacking in the theological virtue of charity," and accused bishops who refuse to open adoption agencies to homosexual couples of "using the remnants of their clout to go after the weak."

The Christian Culture Series has previously invited other public dissidents, including pro-abortion Catholic Prime Ministers Jean Chrétien and Paul Martin Jr., and radical feminist nun Sr. Sandra Schneiders, all of whom were given a Christian Culture medal for being "outstanding exponents of Christian ideals."

Schneiders, who was awarded in 1994, wrote that "every aspect" of the Catholic faith "is not just tainted but perverted by the evil of patriarchy. It is not that the tradition has some problems; the tradition is the problem."

Ms. Roberts' address will be delivered tonight at 8 p.m.

To contact Bishop Fabbro:
Diocese of London Chancery Office
1070 Waterloo Street
London, Ontario N6A 3Y2
Phone: 519-433-0658 ext. 224
Fax: 519-433-0011

To contact Assumption University:
Rev. Paul J. Rennick, C.S.B.
2629 Riverside Drive West
Windsor, Ontario, N9B 1B4
Phone: 519-973-7033
Fax: 519-973-7089
general email: cbertrand@assumptionu.ca
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Quote:By Kathleen Gilbert

WINDSOR, Ontario, February 12, 2009 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The President of the Catholic Assumption University of Windsor told LifeSiteNews.com (LSN) in an interview today that the Catholic Church's position on abortion "is not an infallible teaching."

This is absurd! Are the 10 commandments "not infallible"?


Quote:Fr. Rennick told LSN that he had "personally vetted" the selection of Roberts and chose her because she was "a woman of faith," a "well known Catholic" and "successful as an individual Christian."

Which faith? Can you be Catholic and pro-baby killing? Define "success".

Quote:Asked to elaborate, Fr. Rennick said: "If you look at the catholic population, you'll find a whole variety of positions on all of those topics. It seems to me that disagreement on a particular position doesn't disqualify one from being a Catholic. Unless, of course, that position is whether Jesus is the Christ."

Nice of him to dictate which elements of the faith are negotiable and which are not. I suppose whoever admits Jesus is the Christ is Catholic!

Quote:Cokie Roberts, a political commentator for ABC News and a senior news analyst for National Public Radio, has characterized the federal ban on partial-birth abortion as "off the track" and "cynical game-playing" by pro-life activists, and found the Supreme Court decision to uphold the ban "offensive as a woman."

She can say this, but Bishop Williamson is being forced to admit he was wrong on factual matters irrelevant to faith. Should not Roberts be excommunicated unless she recants.

Quote:Roberts also publicly attacked Pope Benedict XVI as "really lacking in the theological virtue of charity," and accused bishops who refuse to open adoption agencies to homosexual couples of "using the remnants of their clout to go after the weak."

Why is this woman not excommunicated? ABL never said this about the Pope.


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Canadian Catholicism has been in unofficial schism from the Church since 1968.  Compared to them the American Church is a bastion of orthodoxy and tradition (although I must admit that the constant AMChurch bashing in some circles  is getting kind of redundant considering that conditions in our ecclesial life have improved greatly over the past decade).

Bob
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Robb Wrote:Canadian Catholicism has been in unofficial schism from the Church since 1968.  Compared to them the American Church is a bastion of orthodoxy and tradition (although I must admit that the constant AMChurch bashing in some circles  is getting kind of redundant considering that conditions in our ecclesial life have improved greatly over the past decade).

Bob

How so? Never before have I been told I am a schismatic.
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Caesar Wrote:
Robb Wrote:Canadian Catholicism has been in unofficial schism from the Church since 1968.  Compared to them the American Church is a bastion of orthodoxy and tradition (although I must admit that the constant AMChurch bashing in some circles  is getting kind of redundant considering that conditions in our ecclesial life have improved greatly over the past decade).

Bob

How so? Never before have I been told I am a schismatic.

I believe the Robb is speaking of the "Winnipeg Statement" (aka. "Canadian Bishops Statement on the Encyclical Humane Vitae").  To my knowledge, the CCCB has never retracted it...

I also think Robb was speaking of the bishops.
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I wonder when this priest attended seminary?  If it was the 1960s/1970s he was surely part of the generation of priests that learned absolutely nothing in his entire X years of seminary education.  Most were lucky to learn basic catechism:  "The Pope is infallible when speaking ex cathedra."  They don't realize the Pope can be infallible when not making a solemn definition, too.

Or perhaps he does know this, and is just trying to justify his position to the ignorant.

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MeaMaximaCulpa Wrote:I wonder when this priest attended seminary?  If it was the 1960s/1970s he was surely part of the generation of priests that learned absolutely nothing in his entire X years of seminary education.  Most were lucky to learn basic catechism:  "The Pope is infallible when speaking ex cathedra."  They don't realize the Pope can be infallible when not making a solemn definition, too.

Or perhaps he does know this, and is just trying to justify his position to the ignorant.

Well, the important thing is that no one questions his loyalty to Vatican II. All the rest, is of no importance compared to that!
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You've got multiple modes of infallibility summed up here (repetition of teaching by many Popes and an Ecumenical Council, universal agreement in all times, definitive judgment by the entire college, and a definitive papal confirmation to top it all off at the end):
Pope John Paul II, Evangelium Vitae Wrote:

62. The more recent Papal Magisterium has vigorously reaffirmed this common doctrine. Pius XI in particular, in his Encyclical Casti Connubii, rejected the specious justifications of abortion. 65 Pius XII excluded all direct abortion, i.e., every act tending directly to destroy human life in the womb "whether such destruction is intended as an end or only as a means to an end".66 John XXIII reaffirmed that human life is sacred because "from its very beginning it directly involves God's creative activity".67 The Second Vatican Council, as mentioned earlier, sternly condemned abortion: "From the moment of its conception life must be guarded with the greatest care, while abortion and infanticide are unspeakable crimes".68

The Church's canonical discipline, from the earliest centuries, has inflicted penal sanctions on those guilty of abortion. This practice, with more or less severe penalties, has been confirmed in various periods of history. The 1917 Code of Canon Law punished abortion with excommunication. 69 The revised canonical legislation continues this tradition when it decrees that "a person who actually procures an abortion incurs automatic (latae sententiae) excommunication".70 The excommu- nication affects all those who commit this crime with knowledge of the penalty attached, and thus includes those accomplices without whose help the crime would not have been committed. 71 By this reiterated sanction, the Church makes clear that abortion is a most serious and dangerous crime, thereby encouraging those who commit it to seek without delay the path of conversion. In the Church the purpose of the penalty of excommunication is to make an individual fully aware of the gravity of a certain sin and then to foster genuine conversion and repentance.

Given such unanimity in the doctrinal and disciplinary tradition of the Church, Paul VI was able to declare that this tradition is unchanged and unchangeable. 72 Therefore, by the authority which Christ conferred upon Peter and his Successors, in communion with the Bishops-who on various occasions have condemned abortion and who in the aforementioned consultation, albeit dispersed throughout the world, have shown unanimous agreement concerning this doctrine-I declare that direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, always constitutes a grave moral disorder, since it is the deliberate killing of an innocent human being. This doctrine is based upon the natural law and upon the written Word of God, is transmitted by the Church's Tradition and taught by the ordinary and universal Magisterium. 73

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65 Cf. Encyclical Letter Casti Connubii (31 December 1930), II: AAS 22 (1930), 562-592.

66 Address to the Biomedical Association "San Luca" (12 November 1944): Discorsi e Radiomessaggi, VI (1944-1945), 191; cf. Address to the Italian Catholic Union of Midwives (29 October 1951), No. 2: AAS 43 (1951), 838.

67 Encyclical Letter Mater et Magistra (15 May 1961), 3: AAS 53 (1961), 447.

68 Pastoral Constitution on the Church in the Modern World Gaudium et Spes, 51.

69 Canon 2350, § 1.

70 Code of Canon Law, canon 1398; cf. Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches, canon 1450, § 2.

71 Cf. ibid., canon 1329; also Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches, canon 1417.

72 Cf. Address to the National Congress of Italian Jurists (9 December 1972): AAS 64 (1972), 777; Encyclical Letter Humanae Vitae (25 July 1968), 14: AAS 60 (1968), 490.

73 Second Vatican Ecumenical Council, Dogmatic Constitution on the Church Lumen Gentium, 25.

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Why do we even pay attention to a scuzbucket like this guy.  The Pope needs to take his mitre and start a crapload of excommunications.  Isn't it obvious here?

And if I'm not mistaken, to recommend for an abortion is an automatic excommunication.  So why is it so hard for the church to commit the final excommunication ceremony.
 
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This is totally aside from the issue at hand, but I do not take that priests ordained in the 60's or possibly the early70's are part of the generation that were "taught nothing". If you think about it a priest from that time had his formation before the "winds of change". If he were twenty-eight when he was ordained in 1969 he would have been born in 1941. That would be in the pre-Vatican II era for his early formation in the Baltimore Catechism, and daily Mass. These two alone have not been replicated yet, nor has anything come close to them. I take further offense since these young men would have been my playmates when I was much younger. I grant that things changed but not as rapidly as many have been led to believe. In 1965 the Mass of Paul VI started and it took several years for this to take hold, and not until after 1969 for the Mass by Bugnini, so you can see that isn't like it has been portrayed.
that's all I have to say.
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