Gay unions and clergy for Luthrans
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Lutheran panel supports gay unions and clergy The task force calls for respect among those who disagree. A churchwide assembly will vote in August. By Manya A. Brachear and Margaret Ramirez
February 20, 2009
Reporting from Chicago -- A task force of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America recommended Thursday that its leaders officially recognize same-sex unions and allow gays in committed relationships to serve as clergy.

At the same time, the task force asked members of the church to respect congregations and synods that disagree because they believe such actions would violate Scripture.

If approved, the measures would change church policy, which allows ordination of gay clergy but requires them to be celibate. In the report, the task force proposed a four-step process that outlines a possible path for change, starting with recognition of same-sex relationships.

"The task force agreed that this church cannot responsibly consider any changes to its policies unless this church is able and willing in some way to recognize lifelong, monogamous, same-gender relationships," the report said.

The recommendation will be voted on at the churchwide assembly in Minneapolis in August. Reaction to the recommendation was expected to range from elation to disapproval.

The report is yet another example of a U.S. Protestant denomination struggling to define the role of gays and lesbians in church life. Similar questions have been debated in the Episcopal and United Methodist churches in recent years.

The nearly 5-million-member Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, which is based in Chicago, is the nation's largest Lutheran denomination.

The Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod and the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod are separate denominations that accept a more literal interpretation of the Bible and do not ordain gays.

The task force stopped short of recommending a liturgical rite for gay unions or using the word "marriage" to describe them. But the report said that "most of the task force members believe that ways can be found within local congregations to surround the commitments of such couples with prayer."

The Rev. Peter Strommen, the Minnesota pastor who served as chairman of the 15-member task force, said a context for public promises would help the church better define those relationships.

"Given we have no clarity or structure, we feel it's important for there to be an equivalent of public accountability," Strommen said.

In addition to the recommendations on ministry policies, the task force released a proposed social statement on human sexuality for the church.

Drawing from Martin Luther's spoken words that spawned the 16th century Protestant Reformation, the task force called on its members to respect each other's views about same-gender relationships as grounded in conscience.

The statement, titled “Human Sexuality: Gift and Trust,” recognizes marriage as a covenant between a man and a woman, but also acknowledges same-sex couples.

"Within the last decades, this church has begun to understand and experience in new ways the need of same-gender-oriented individuals to seek relationships of lifelong companionship and commitment," the statement says.

The debate on gay clergy in the church took on greater urgency in 2007, when the Rev. Bradley Schmeling, an Atlanta pastor, was removed from the clergy roster after he told his bishop that he was in a relationship with a man.

That August, the assembly urged its bishops to refrain from disciplining gay ministers who are in committed, same-sex relationships.

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Luther would have viciously attacked gay marriage in my opinion, he was not a person to mince words! He was completely orthodox in some areas, soteriology was the main place where he erred, in my opinion.
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I suspect that the Missouri Synod and WELS will be filling up with new members soon.
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Robb Wrote:I suspect that the Missouri Synod and WELS will be filling up with new members soon.

Whole new churches, even.  The church I was raised in was ELCA, and I know nobody in my little, rural hometown of 600 people is going to stand for this kind of thing.
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I don't think Luther would have been accepting of homosexuality... 

But on the other hand he was the one that made the modern world think that celibacy is an unrealistic impossibility for humans....

So my conclusion is that Luther would be against gays, but also unable to justify an expectation that they should be expected to live a fulfilled celibate life.

Yet another of the protestant inconsistencies.

By the way, why don't the Jews protest against the Lutherans, their founder was much more anti-Semitic than Bishop Williamson, or are they holding out to berate the Church if She tries to reconcile with Lutherans?
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winoblue1 Wrote:I don't think Luther would have been accepting of homosexuality... 

But on the other hand he was the one that made the modern world think that celibacy is an unrealistic impossibility for humans....

So my conclusion is that Luther would be against gays, but also unable to justify an expectation that they should be expected to live a fulfilled celibate life.

Yet another of the protestant inconsistencies.

By the way, why don't the Jews protest against the Lutherans, their founder was much more anti-Semitic than Bishop Williamson, or are they holding out to berate the Church if She tries to reconcile with Lutherans?
Luther's main problem with the Vatican was the sale of Indulgences, abuses of the clergy, and the Authority of the Pope.

Men who would want to enter into marriage with each other would have been violently opposed by the reformers of that time, as it should be today. It is disgusting and the Sin of Sodom is an abomination which crys out against God himself, any denomination that accepts it is in no doubt in league with the Devil and his minions.

Also the Jews don't protest against Muslims either and their founder and Koran specifically allows for the murder of Jews and non-believers. This is just another example how the one true Church is the most deadly enemy to the Synagogue of Satan.
 
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