no confession on ash wenesday?
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StevusMagnus Wrote:
moneil Wrote:Actually Stevus, the schedules are imposed by the faithful who want to begin Lent by assisting at Holy Mass, or a Prayer Service, and receive blessed ashes.  The priests are doing it because it's what the people in their parish expect them to do.
...Popular demand does not necessarily equal the prudent course. It would be a good teaching moment for the priest to stress reconciliation with God sacramentally over mere blessed ashes...


 
Quote:The multiple times are readily justifiable by people's schedules: an early before work Mass, the usual daily Mass with the blue hair crowd (which no priest who has any consideration for either his physical or spiritual health would dare tamper with), a mid morning Mass for the parochial school, perhaps a noon Mass or service for folks on their lunch hour, an after work Mass.  In rural areas a priest may have 2 or 3 parishes or missions to attend to.  In many parishes, at least in the west, there may be Masses in other languages (Spanish and Vietnamese being the most common ~yeah, I know, many think it should just be in Latin, but the priests have to deal with current reality).  In many parishes, multiple services are required to accommodate the number of people, as they couldn't all fit in the Church at one time, as a previous poster mentioned.  Services are also held at nursing homes and retirement centers, for people who can't get out - it's one day a year, and it's important!

Hogwash. You would have a point if it were a day of obligation, but since it is not, your argument fails. I'm not sure if the priest is obliged to say any public Masses on Ash Wednesday, but if so, then at most one. I'm not even opposed to a noon and evening "ash" mass. But to give out ashes 3-4 times and offering not one confession shows that we are so distracted with externals, we have our priorities flipped.


I would imagine there is, if not a specific canonical or rubrical requirement, at the least a serious expectation that parishes would have Mass, or other services, and offer the imposition of blessed ashes, on Ash Wednesday.  The imposition of ashes was considered important enough that before VII, small churches and mission stations without a resident priest (I grew up rural environs after leaving the big city of Seattle at the tender age of 5-1/2) would offer the imposition of ashes after Mass on the first Sunday of Lent, to those who were unable to attend on Ash Wednesday.  I'm pretty sure there is no obligation for priests to have scheduled confessions on Ash Wednesday.  As you have pointed out several times, it is not a Holy Day of Obligation, and there is no requirement to attend Mass, receive ashes, or go to Confession.

This seems one of those straw man arguments you often rail against.  The Church, from time immemorial, has begun the Lenten Fast with the imposition of blessed ashes, and I cited the Catholic Encyclopedia on that topic - I wonder if you read the article?  Nowhere in the Catholic Encyclopedia article on Ash Wednesday, or on Lent, does it emphasis Confession as a particular practice for that day, or even the season - it does emphasis the imposition of ashes, and the beginning of fasting.  Likewise, I have no recollection that before the changes after VII, that Confession was THE way one began Lent - rather, one went to the Church for the imposition of Ashes, began the fast, and one would during Lent, prepare oneself to make a really good confession(s) during Lent - and that was a specific obligation for the Easter Duty.  I was around back then (DOB 06.28.51), I'm guessing you weren't.

So, the idea that the ideal way to begin Lent on Ash Wednesday is by the reception of the Sacrament of Confession, and that is what the Church should emphasis, and what parishes should give preference to over Holy Mass and the imposition blessed ashes, seems to be peculiar to you.  Not necessarily a bad concept, but it does seem to be a personal concept, rather than one rooted in the immemorial tradition of the Church.  Do you have any citations that show otherwise?

I'm suspect the vast majority, if not all, the churches in you fair city offered many scheduled opportunities for Confession on the weekend before Lent.  You certainly had the opportunity to schedule a Confession with a priest on Mon. Tues. or Wed., if you wanted.  Did you just figure out this year that Confession wasn't routinely scheduled on Ash Wednesday?  If you felt you had to go to Confession during that time, I'm sure you could have found a priest to hear it.  As HK posted, his parish priest is available to hear confessions whenever he is on the grounds, and most of the Ordinary Form priests I know up here in Washington are similarly accommodating.

If receiving the Sacrament of Penance on Ash Wednesday (or Shove Tuesday) would be especially meaningful for you, then, by all means make those arrangements - I'm sure that's very do able, especially in urban areas.  To expect parishes and churches to wrap their entire schedules around an individual's particular, personal understanding of how things should be, rather than focusing on the immemorial traditions of the Church in this regard, and accommodating the faithful with several opportunities in this regard, would seem, IMHO a case of "priorities flipped".  Someday, you may be old, infirm, and in bound, as perhaps I someday may be, and I think I'd be grateful that a priest made time to come to the nursing home or retirement center for Ash Wednesday services.

I didn't make it to Ash Wednesday services this year, but in many years of doing so the emphasis of the homily was generally on the opportunity the season of Lent offers for a renewal of our lives, and frequently the importance and power of the Sacrament of Reconciliation to that effect was mentioned (yes, this occurs even in Ordinary Form parishes).  In most parishes I'm familiar with, there is an extra special emphasis on this sacrament during Lent (and to anticipate what some here will say - yes, the Ordinary Form parishes should emphasis this sacrament more often throughout the year), and extra times, frequently on weekday evenings, with visiting priests, will be scheduled during Lent.

Now, I can appreciate your frustration, since this is really important to you - but to scold the Church for not discerning your personal, individual preference, and to ask it to not be as accommodating to the vast majority of the faithful by reducing the number of Ash Wednesday services, seems not the right approach.  I'd suggest you just make an appointment next year to start Lent in the manner you prefer.  You could also speak to your pastor, or area priests, and inquire about having Confessions scheduled - perhaps they have never been asked about that possibility.
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no confession on ash wenesday? - by OldMan - 02-25-2009, 04:27 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by Gman - 02-25-2009, 04:29 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by StevusMagnus - 02-25-2009, 04:30 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by OldMan - 02-25-2009, 06:51 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by 40Days - 02-25-2009, 11:24 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by Carthusian - 02-26-2009, 02:18 AM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by Iuvenalis - 02-26-2009, 03:35 AM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by StevusMagnus - 02-26-2009, 01:42 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by LRThunder - 02-26-2009, 01:44 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by SCG - 02-26-2009, 01:47 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by StevusMagnus - 02-26-2009, 01:51 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by LRThunder - 02-26-2009, 01:52 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by SCG - 02-26-2009, 02:00 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by Carthusian - 02-26-2009, 02:03 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by SCG - 02-26-2009, 02:04 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by StevusMagnus - 02-26-2009, 02:06 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by StevusMagnus - 02-26-2009, 02:10 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by SCG - 02-26-2009, 02:11 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by Carthusian - 02-26-2009, 02:19 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by StevusMagnus - 02-26-2009, 02:25 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by StevusMagnus - 02-26-2009, 02:26 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by Carthusian - 02-26-2009, 02:36 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by LRThunder - 02-26-2009, 02:44 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by StevusMagnus - 02-26-2009, 02:50 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by moneil - 02-27-2009, 12:00 AM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by moneil - 02-27-2009, 12:08 AM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by Historian - 02-27-2009, 02:39 AM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by Historian - 02-27-2009, 05:11 AM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by StevusMagnus - 02-27-2009, 11:25 AM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by StevusMagnus - 02-27-2009, 11:26 AM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by StevusMagnus - 02-27-2009, 11:27 AM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by StevusMagnus - 02-27-2009, 11:32 AM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by moneil - 02-27-2009, 01:25 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by moneil - 02-27-2009, 01:48 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by Historian - 02-27-2009, 02:06 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by SCG - 02-27-2009, 02:14 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by SCG - 02-27-2009, 02:22 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by SCG - 02-27-2009, 02:46 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by StevusMagnus - 02-27-2009, 03:06 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by StevusMagnus - 02-27-2009, 03:12 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by StevusMagnus - 02-27-2009, 03:21 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by Historian - 02-27-2009, 03:28 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by Carthusian - 02-27-2009, 05:12 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by Carthusian - 02-27-2009, 06:28 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by Schatz - 02-28-2009, 12:41 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by ONeill - 02-28-2009, 04:50 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by Corpsman - 03-01-2009, 02:04 AM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by ONeill - 03-01-2009, 03:00 AM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by glgas - 03-01-2009, 08:08 AM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by SouthernCross - 03-01-2009, 09:41 AM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by glgas - 03-01-2009, 01:44 PM
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